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a reality of phantoms and monsters they

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world has its own rules and these rules

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and existence of Cryptids in The

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Unexplained

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join us as we venture beyond the known

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and accepted boundaries Welcome to our

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nightmare I think you're going to like

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good evening welcome to another episode

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of fans of monsters radio where we

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explore the strange and The Unexplained

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so tonight we've got quite an

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interesting Round Table

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Ryan Paul Tremblay says that I've been

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in a hardcore cryptozoologist Enthusiast

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and the researcher for well over 20

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years

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like many of my Fascination Monsters And

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The Things That Go Bump in the night

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begin very early on growing up in New

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England was the perfect breeding ground

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for such a Fascination the plenty of

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wilderness around and our Cryptid to

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boot I soon began to hear not only a

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Bigfoot but not than the uh the Dober

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demon as the years went by I found

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more media accessibility to my young

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began to merge the early 90 to Showcase

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encrypted encounters

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in Southern Arizona I had my own

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personal encounter with the dog man that

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simply fueled my obsession for

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cryptozoology before I knew it I was

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traversing down numerous rabbit holes

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Jersey Devil upright canines

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various forms of Sasquatch

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extraterrestrials and finally the

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windigo

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through countless Air hours of hard work

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plenty of literature and even The

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Reluctant volunteering of information

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through connections to indigenous people

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I found a supernatural creature that

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captured my curiosity my determination

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and Fascination alike a host of

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whispered to a scream podcast and

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co-host of monster radio

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Shane Michael crisp says I'm 31 years

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old from Bakersville Bakersfield

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California married to my best friend of

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eight years and have a 10 year old

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stepson

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always believed to Sasquatch and UFOs

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but never spoke out loud in fear of

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ridicules since these topics are so

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tinfoil stuff

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only spoke about it with people who

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would bring up a topic which was rare

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now last August A co-worker told me

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about Dogman which I didn't believe in

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just laughed at this at the name

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he had me listen to a few episodes of

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Dogman encounters which he got me

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intrigued that people are seeing these

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pipetal canines every day so I started

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diving into the phenomena a little more

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and became hooked became a field an

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active field researcher at the beginning

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of January this year and joined the nadp

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along the way I've I've come across many

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other Cryptids and started to fascinate

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watching football and hanging with the

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family I'm either in the woods chasing

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seven foot dog manner on the internet

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reading and watching in any crypto

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related trying to gain as much knowledge

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as possible I host and moderate the the

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West Coast skin walker project and West

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Coast Dollar Man project

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and William Nighthawk is the wakasa

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Walken ordained minister for Native

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American Indian and metis people

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a veteran and 32 Degree Scottish Rite

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Freemason with over 35 years of

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paranormal encrypted creatures research

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investigation

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I was raised in in by a dark black witch

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parent and has lives in both worlds with

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surviving nearly two

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uh two near-death experiences William

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Nighthawk High strangest podcast channel

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so gentlemen thank you for joining me

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this evening

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so I guess the uh I guess the overall

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question the one everybody's thinking

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about what the hell is a skin walker you

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know we we've all heard everybody who

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thinks they've seen a skinwalker uh but

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what is this thing and you know

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start off with William what is a

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let me put it in this uh and this uh

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phrase it's something that walks in both

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worlds

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um it's something that is Created from

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dark magic

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um by a dark medicine man or a Medicine

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Woman

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and that's about all I'm gonna say about

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where it comes from

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um I have personally done the ceremonies

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I've seen the results of the ceremonies

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um with my own parent being a dark

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Medicine Woman

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I don't even know where to begin

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there are certain Spirits certain Animal

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Spirits out there

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um like with our people it's called

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itomi the spider or uh shukmani to uh

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the coyote you know

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um the the bajjuta Sapa that the black

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medicine uh people that would come and

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and do the ceremonies who were the skins

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of certain animals and the skins of

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those animals During certain parts of

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the ceremonies

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they would obtain that animal's spirit

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and they would have the power to

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transform and walk in both worlds in the

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spirit world and in the physical world

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I don't know if Ryan wants to

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and further embellish on that but I

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wow no pressure there well you really

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did a great job with that but if you

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want to figure out what the Skin Walkers

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are I can tell you what the skinwalkers

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are not okay everybody that runs into

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something they can't identify in the

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woods these days says it's a skinwalker

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and really that's that's not the case

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you know these things these they're

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something that are very very feared as

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you can tell from William's answer

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they're terrifying you know they're

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something that people don't want to run

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into and they're not as common as

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everybody thinks they are Shaman that

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undergo these initiations they practice

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these ceremonies in this magic that's

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forbidden by their people

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you know and it's something that you

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just you don't want to run into these

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things they're they're deadly they will

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Shane do you got anything to add to that

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well everything I've learned from is

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from William and Ryan Ryan talked about

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it on one of his podcasts about a few

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months ago and it got me really

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interested in you know the skinwalker

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topic I know I always thought skin

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markers were more Cryptid but talking to

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Ryan in the last few weeks it's more

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they're more paranormal it's just things

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you don't talk about and that's the

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thing with them and their own like Ryan

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said that their own people don't talk

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about it and it's almost forbidden and

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it brings bad I guess you could say Juju

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to you if you do talk about it almost

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like a minute ago you know you just

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don't talk about it but my whole thing

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was I created West Coast Sasquatch

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project or that's Sasquatch but

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Skinwalker project sorry and uh so many

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of them but I created it to spread

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awareness of these things because they

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like Ryan said people are calling

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everything a skin walker you see a

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bipedal canine that could be a dog man

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or it could be a good way but these kids

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mislabeled as a skinwalker and

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skinwalkers are just evil Shaman that

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are just something you don't want to

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mess with

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so yeah

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yeah this seems to be you know Ryan and

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I talked a bit about this before the

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um when it comes to to bizarre phenomena

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people just don't understand the first

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thing that either comes out of their

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mouth or in the description oh it's a

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skin walker or a wendigo because that's

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the Hot Topic now uh right you know for

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whatever reason

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so uh and you know I try to explain to

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people I think that's because I

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go ahead Lon I think I can embellish

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upon that a little bit I think I think

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it's something that people are just

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fascinated about

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um because it does encompass something

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that they really can't grasp or

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understand because it's not from where

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they came from okay if you were brought

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up like uh most native people you were

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you were taught to from birth to respect

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it to respect all magic all all medicine

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okay whether it's rock medicine tree

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medicine Sky medicine water medicine

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animals you name it right

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including people okay and when I mean

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people I mean all people

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I'm talking the star children I'm

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talking the Cryptids you know because

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personally my people don't look at

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like you know Sasquatch or Bigfoot what

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you what you all call them you know my

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people we call them you know Big Brother

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you know and if we

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had any words for him it would be more

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a guardian spirit

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um one that watches over the environment

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and the animals and all that this and

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and the same can be said about any other

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it's it's almost to uh

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gotten to the point

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um recently where people have gotten so

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emerged into it that some people are

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jumping in with both feet not even

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checking not How deep the water is and

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when they get in they find out they

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don't want to be a part of it you know

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because of their fear well you know I

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don't know how Ryan and and Shan feel

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well you feel alone about this but I

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think before anybody gets into that type

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of field crew to zoology or anything

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like that or even ghost hunting I think

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you better test the waters first and do

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your research before you go full force

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into it because you've got too many

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people coming into it you got too many

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people coming into it that hey

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are so skeptical that the almost

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ridicule the subject

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okay and believe me Native Americans

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we we've been uh we've had everything

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you know there's nothing any other any

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other you know

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race or or

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people in the world that can say that

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they've had more done than them than

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than the native people of this country

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have you know any indigenous culture

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across the world

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um

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has been

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beaten tortured raped killed you know

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all that and I'm not saying that to

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bring up the bad part of the past

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I'm safe

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in order to know what's going on today

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you have to go back and look at our

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traditions and our warnings of my people

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and all the the indigenous cultures

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around the world tried to warn other

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people that came from other lands to

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their lands of certain things certain

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things that went on with the spirits

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with the animals with you know with with

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nature in general you know and I think a

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lot of people just they they get in they

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they get into it and jump into it

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wholeheartedly and then they get scared

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and I think you know when they get

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scared and get out of it that's when the

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ridicule starts oh there's no such thing

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as a you know as a walker you know

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um there's no such thing as you know uh

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pejuta Sapa black medicine you know

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there's no such thing as witchcraft well

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you know what

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I hear it to you there is there isn't

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there is a dark side to this world and a

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light side to this

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and I've grown up in both areas of it so

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you know

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believe those of us who have experienced

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some of that are fortunate because we

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understand what's really going on

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um uh I I know I have

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just just because of my upbringing and

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people in my family who have been

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involved with certain things not deeply

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but you know the tradition The lure that

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I have talked to to family members and

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friends about over the years

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um

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and of course when I got involved with

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JC Johnson and and other people who

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understood a lot and a lot of a lot of

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the elders in the Danae Navajo

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reservation in in tribe uh

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I it opened up my eyes a lot of stuff

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so um you know and I like I told all you

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guys I mean I'm not really in I haven't

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really researched the whole skin walker

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uh when to go phenomena a lot but I have

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you know I have posted a lot about it I

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talked to people about it and uh that's

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why I I like the idea to use guys coming

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along here in kind of setting the record

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straight

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um as far as um now as far as the

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skinwalker and even the wind to go and

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of course these these have indigenous

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backgrounds to them uh is it always

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witchcraft involved or is it something

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other than witchcraft

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hmm depends on which one you're talking

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about

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okay well go ahead okay well with the Yi

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narulushi yeah absolutely witchcraft the

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witchery way is always always a part of

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what they are the wendigo or the wet to

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go no it's it's a belief it's a

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spiritual belief that you know if they

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break certain cultural taboos such as

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cannibalism that's the most popular most

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well-known but if an individual or group

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of people act with greed and gluttony or

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they act very violent that also brings

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upon them the curse of the wendigo I

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always like to tell people that there's

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two versions of the wendigo there's the

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wendigo which is the comp the spirit

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that you know the all-encompassing

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spirit that's always around then there's

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a wendigo the person that gets inflicted

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with that curse from that spirit so with

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the wendigo it's not always witchcraft

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where's the rushi that's exactly

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exclusive where where they come from

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so if it weren't for witchcraft or the

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I agree 150 with that Ryan

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I I agree 100 with that um also though

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um one thing out of respect for the the

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windigo um also um what I was taught

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from from Early Childhood was

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we made we all instead of you know in

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like you said with gluttony

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um that will bring on the win to go

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um that's a biggie with Native people

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um when I was raised by father

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and my mother I was taught to make what

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we call a spirit plate

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okay and on that Spirit plate before we

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partake of any meal we would put each of

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every item that we were eating on that

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plate and we would take that plate

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outside

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to the far corner of the property set

394
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the plate down lay the tobacco offering

395
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down and and basically share that meal

396
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with the spirits out of respect and that

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was a way that we didn't show gluttony

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and a way to respect this Spirits like

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the windigo so that's something that

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we're taught when we were so that's

401
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actually a very beautiful tradition to a

402
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beautiful custom

403
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absolutely

404
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what do you think Shane yeah no to be

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honest with you I I the windigo I just

406
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found out when we talked to the last

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week that I always thought the windigo

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had the antlers and you depicted that

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and said you know or debunked it and

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said no that's just a folklore that's

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just people's drawings the wendigo

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doesn't really look like that they look

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more humanoid than anything so that

414
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really just reset me on the whole

415
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wendigo I'm thinking seeing something in

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the woods that has antlers and yeah

417
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obviously the skin blockers you know

418
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wear the animal skins transform into

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that being what they're wearing and I

420
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that's I know they take the shape of the

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wolf and the coyote the most I've

422
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noticed but I've also heard of reports

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where they've seen them as owls and you

424
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know other creatures but it seems like

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the wolf and the coyote are the most

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depicted one or you know one that they

427
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see so there's a reason for that too

428
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it's because in there it really just

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beliefs it's forbidden to wear the Pelt

430
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of a predatory animal like that it's

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showing that animal a great deal of

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disrespect you're not paying homage to

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its spirit really okay so like I said

434
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I'm learning something new every time I

435
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talk with you Ryan and William I I'm

436
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learning this just as much I read on the

437
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topic every single day when anything

438
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that comes across the internet hey I'm

439
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reading it so that's what you need to do

440
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Shane that's exactly what you need to do

441
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yeah I'm just trying to I'm a sponge

442
00:18:36,350 --> 00:18:34,140
right now I guess you could say my first

443
00:18:38,450 --> 00:18:36,360
year of research I'm soaking up all the

444
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Cryptids but I mean yeah mainly my main

445
00:18:44,570 --> 00:18:40,919
focus is Dogman but I still you know

446
00:18:47,270 --> 00:18:44,580
it's paranormal with UFOs uaps Sasquatch

447
00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:47,280
Skin Walkers anything gogway especially

448
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right now too so like we are picking up

449
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speed man yes that's why I created too

450
00:18:57,830 --> 00:18:55,980
many pages to handle but I you know to

451
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pay respect and spread awareness of them

452
00:19:02,750 --> 00:19:01,500
because Bigfoot and Dogman take over all

453
00:19:04,370 --> 00:19:02,760
the crypted stuff I'm like hey what

454
00:19:06,169 --> 00:19:04,380
about Skin Walkers what about the good

455
00:19:08,510 --> 00:19:06,179
way these things need to be talked about

456
00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:08,520
that's why I created the pages I did I

457
00:19:12,350 --> 00:19:10,080
mean they're nothing right now but maybe

458
00:19:14,330 --> 00:19:12,360
five years from now that you know this

459
00:19:16,789 --> 00:19:14,340
name skin blocker it's already being

460
00:19:17,750 --> 00:19:16,799
circulated with skin rocker Ranch people

461
00:19:19,370 --> 00:19:17,760
are thinking they're gonna go out there

462
00:19:22,190 --> 00:19:19,380
and see but really they don't know that

463
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the land was cursed by the youths so

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that's what intrigued to me is more the

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native aspect I don't care to see a wolf

466
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come out of a portal how cool would that

467
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be but I want to know more about the

468
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history on the land and right I see the

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old skin walker Ranch that's another

470
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misconception right there Shane a lot of

471
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people think that every time you hear a

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Native American curse that it's done by

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Aid

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that's not the case that's not really

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ever the case I mean unless you hear

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exclusively that you know the Native

477
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American that curse this land was said

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to be a skin walker it's not a

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skinwalker curse so just because there's

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a curse there there's not gonna be a

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skin walk around that property exactly

482
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that's what they say with lbl that the

483
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lbl has a Shaman's curse on there

484
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was he from the Navajo tribes or no

485
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because if he wasn't Navajo it's not

486
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inarushi exactly it's pertaining to One

487
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Tribe

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and you've taught me that I know just

489
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reading in and listening to your

490
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podcasts and like I said my knowledge it

491
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for skinwalkers has grown from zero to

492
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25 and just I'd say the last month and a

493
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half and well like I say I'm a sputting

494
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trying to soak it all up but when it's

495
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not Dogman it's Skin Walkers right now

496
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and gogway for me it wasn't my top

497
00:20:35,690 --> 00:20:33,960
interests other than Dogman you want to

498
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learn learn from that guy right there oh

499
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I'm on it from both of you

500
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[Laughter]

501
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it's an honor just to be on Juan's

502
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podcast but just you know getting a you

503
00:20:48,529 --> 00:20:46,020
know William had us on about a month ago

504
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and that was truly awesome and I got to

505
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talk to you last week and just hearing

506
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your guys's stuff it just I think it

507
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helps expand my you know knowledge on it

508
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that you know one day someone that wants

509
00:21:00,529 --> 00:20:58,140
to get into the field of cryptozoology

510
00:21:02,029 --> 00:21:00,539
or paranormal I could pass that

511
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knowledge on to them from what I learned

512
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from you know guys like you guys so

513
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that's what I like to hear yeah

514
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so let's um and I'm getting a lot of

515
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questions about shape-shifting

516
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um now of course

517
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with with the the skinwalker it is a

518
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form of shape shifting uh maybe Spirit

519
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:24,539
enhancement or something manifesting but

520
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are they actually shape shifters and I'm

521
00:21:32,810 --> 00:21:29,880
talking about Skinwalker and Wendigo

522
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um skinwalkers are I mean if you want to

523
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:35,159
talk about transformation the wendigo

524
00:21:40,490 --> 00:21:37,679
transforms the victim it takes them from

525
00:21:42,770 --> 00:21:40,500
Human to a more Primal State whereas the

526
00:21:44,210 --> 00:21:42,780
yinarushi it's done through the means of

527
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magic so whatever the Pelt they're

528
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wearing that's the form they're going to

529
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assume

530
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so it's a very magical kind of

531
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shape-shifting I like to think that

532
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magic is a science that we don't

533
00:21:58,130 --> 00:21:55,559
understand that we did at one time yeah

534
00:21:59,870 --> 00:21:58,140
but you've walked away from it so we

535
00:22:02,390 --> 00:21:59,880
pretend that magic doesn't exist anymore

536
00:22:05,450 --> 00:22:02,400
but it does we just don't comprehend it

537
00:22:11,690 --> 00:22:08,690
now you know of course nowadays we're

538
00:22:12,350 --> 00:22:11,700
hearing all about Skinwalker Ranch and

539
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:12,360
um

540
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because all the you know the TV show for

541
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the most part and other things but

542
00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:19,559
what is the real story behind Skinwalker

543
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Ranch the real meat potatoes behind the

544
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curse the so-called curse and why it is

545
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called that or that area around there is

546
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,380
is supposed to be curved uh I like to

547
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get your your thoughts from each one of

548
00:22:36,529 --> 00:22:34,200
you on that

549
00:22:38,090 --> 00:22:36,539
okay who do you want to begin with you

550
00:22:40,250 --> 00:22:38,100
you can start off

551
00:22:42,649 --> 00:22:40,260
well I mean it was a war between tribes

552
00:22:44,570 --> 00:22:42,659
you know and that happened very often in

553
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:44,580
history as tribes didn't get along they

554
00:22:48,890 --> 00:22:47,280
didn't co-exist so there would be a

555
00:22:51,289 --> 00:22:48,900
curse place on the land

556
00:22:53,690 --> 00:22:51,299
and not necessarily was this a way of

557
00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:53,700
you know creating these monsters it was

558
00:22:57,770 --> 00:22:55,740
a way of opening doors sometimes to keep

559
00:22:59,450 --> 00:22:57,780
that land sacred

560
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,460
you know it was never about money when

561
00:23:02,450 --> 00:23:01,200
there was you know tribes warring it was

562
00:23:04,490 --> 00:23:02,460
about money it wasn't about belongings

563
00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:04,500
it was because that land was sacred to

564
00:23:08,270 --> 00:23:05,940
One Tribe and another tribe would come

565
00:23:09,950 --> 00:23:08,280
along and desecrate it so it was about

566
00:23:11,450 --> 00:23:09,960
opening doors and sometimes it would

567
00:23:13,370 --> 00:23:11,460
open doors to things that we don't know

568
00:23:14,990 --> 00:23:13,380
that we don't understand so I think

569
00:23:16,730 --> 00:23:15,000
that's where Skinwalker Ranch came in is

570
00:23:18,770 --> 00:23:16,740
they opened some paranormal doors what

571
00:23:20,270 --> 00:23:18,780
we would consider paranormal and this is

572
00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:20,280
why all these experiences keep happening

573
00:23:26,330 --> 00:23:22,799
on Skinwalker Ranch

574
00:23:28,669 --> 00:23:27,409
yeah

575
00:23:30,649 --> 00:23:28,679
um

576
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,659
first off you got to understand too

577
00:23:35,390 --> 00:23:32,159
though and everybody listening has got

578
00:23:38,870 --> 00:23:35,400
to understand that the uh that uh Macau

579
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:38,880
Khan saved from Mother Earth has

580
00:23:45,950 --> 00:23:42,240
a a strength and a medicine a spiritual

581
00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:45,960
medicine like no other okay

582
00:23:51,710 --> 00:23:49,260
um whenever you talk curses or hexes and

583
00:23:54,529 --> 00:23:51,720
all that and you and you involved you

584
00:23:56,690 --> 00:23:54,539
involved Mother Earth in that you're not

585
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:56,700
only getting the the spiritual power

586
00:24:01,490 --> 00:23:59,520
from the person doing the the hexing or

587
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,500
the cursing you're getting the spiritual

588
00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:03,360
power from the environment too from

589
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:06,120
Mother Earth so you have those two

590
00:24:11,570 --> 00:24:09,120
combined which you know native people

591
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:11,580
fear okay

592
00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:14,580
um because out of respect you know it

593
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:17,460
wasn't a fear of you know a fear like

594
00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:18,960
running away and hiding it was a

595
00:24:23,390 --> 00:24:20,460
respectable

596
00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:23,400
fear to where we didn't tread on that

597
00:24:30,049 --> 00:24:25,980
subject too much and if we did we

598
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:30,059
treaded very lightly okay out of respect

599
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,919
um we have a saying that everything is

600
00:24:36,289 --> 00:24:33,600
connected in the web of life

601
00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:36,299
you know we're all connected you know

602
00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:40,020
the the pine tree uh the pole pine tree

603
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:42,179
and another pine tree that have been

604
00:24:50,570 --> 00:24:44,880
known to uh recently to have

605
00:24:52,610 --> 00:24:50,580
the same genetic code that humans have

606
00:24:54,289 --> 00:24:52,620
if they didn't have that

607
00:24:55,870 --> 00:24:54,299
and why wouldn't why wouldn't we be

608
00:24:58,490 --> 00:24:55,880
connected you know what I'm saying

609
00:24:59,450 --> 00:24:58,500
everything has medicine everything has

610
00:25:02,870 --> 00:24:59,460
power

611
00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:02,880
and back in the old days you know of my

612
00:25:07,490 --> 00:25:04,860
great grandfathers you know my team

613
00:25:09,289 --> 00:25:07,500
Costilla um

614
00:25:10,490 --> 00:25:09,299
they walked with reverence for

615
00:25:12,350 --> 00:25:10,500
everything

616
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,360
they didn't put a foot down unless they

617
00:25:16,909 --> 00:25:14,159
made sure that that foot was supposed to

618
00:25:19,850 --> 00:25:16,919
be there okay they didn't put their

619
00:25:22,370 --> 00:25:19,860
their teepee up in a certain location

620
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,380
unless they blessed the ground and

621
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:24,720
called the grass dancers in to do the

622
00:25:28,909 --> 00:25:26,100
ceremony

623
00:25:31,490 --> 00:25:28,919
you know they they did so many things

624
00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:31,500
out of respect for the water for the

625
00:25:37,549 --> 00:25:34,740
wind for the animals you know to to

626
00:25:39,049 --> 00:25:37,559
honor their spirits to not offend them

627
00:25:41,870 --> 00:25:39,059
in any way

628
00:25:43,730 --> 00:25:41,880
for fear out of respect

629
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:43,740
for those things

630
00:25:46,210 --> 00:25:45,360
that they wouldn't get retaliated

631
00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:46,220
against

632
00:25:52,490 --> 00:25:49,500
okay and when you talk about the Ute and

633
00:25:54,890 --> 00:25:52,500
the uh the Danae

634
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:54,900
um Wars and all that

635
00:26:00,529 --> 00:25:57,840
you know that that land was sacred a

636
00:26:04,010 --> 00:26:00,539
picture it this way okay uh with with my

637
00:26:05,149 --> 00:26:04,020
Lakota blood okay my people in South

638
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:05,159
Dakota

639
00:26:12,409 --> 00:26:08,820
you know the most sacred land

640
00:26:14,269 --> 00:26:12,419
to us was the pahasaba the Black Hills

641
00:26:17,810 --> 00:26:14,279
okay

642
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,820
that was where we did our ceremony where

643
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,440
we where we

644
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,600
buried our people where we just did we

645
00:26:26,210 --> 00:26:24,000
we connected with with tonkashiella you

646
00:26:29,330 --> 00:26:26,220
know one kantanka you know the great

647
00:26:31,850 --> 00:26:29,340
spirit you know we did everything there

648
00:26:35,149 --> 00:26:31,860
that was a very the most sacred land

649
00:26:36,590 --> 00:26:35,159
available that we had at the time to my

650
00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:36,600
people

651
00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:38,460
and it was take from us because of what

652
00:26:44,450 --> 00:26:41,640
because of greed gold

653
00:26:45,529 --> 00:26:44,460
the white man came and found gold found

654
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,539
gold

655
00:26:50,269 --> 00:26:47,520
and then that's when

656
00:26:52,370 --> 00:26:50,279
president Jackson

657
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:52,380
I don't know President Grant excuse me

658
00:26:56,810 --> 00:26:54,240
Jackson

659
00:26:59,830 --> 00:26:56,820
um President Grant actually got enough

660
00:27:03,710 --> 00:26:59,840
baggage yeah yeah Jackson's got enough

661
00:27:05,390 --> 00:27:03,720
so but uh President Grant

662
00:27:08,010 --> 00:27:05,400
um that shows you I don't really like

663
00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:08,020
following the the culture too much

664
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,980
[Laughter]

665
00:27:15,230 --> 00:27:12,480
um

666
00:27:18,110 --> 00:27:15,240
but President Grant actually

667
00:27:19,370 --> 00:27:18,120
was the one that put a 300 bounty on the

668
00:27:22,370 --> 00:27:19,380
heads of

669
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,380
my people to get us out of the Black

670
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:24,960
Hills so they could take it over and

671
00:27:30,769 --> 00:27:27,120
then in what 1920 they they brought the

672
00:27:37,130 --> 00:27:34,130
one uh architecting that was what a

673
00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:37,140
member of the KKK that uh did their

674
00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:39,059
ceremony and started putting the four

675
00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:41,640
Indian hitting presidents on on the side

676
00:27:44,570 --> 00:27:42,539
of the mountain

677
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:44,580
so

678
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:46,740
and at the same time Abraham Lincoln

679
00:27:51,649 --> 00:27:49,679
signed the Emancipation Proclamation he

680
00:27:53,389 --> 00:27:51,659
signed a death warrants of over 330

681
00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:53,399
native people

682
00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:56,100
at the same exact time within that same

683
00:27:59,090 --> 00:27:57,480
pen stroke

684
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,100
so

685
00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:01,440
um you know and and the same with George

686
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:03,480
Washington I mean he he put native

687
00:28:07,090 --> 00:28:04,799
people against native people when

688
00:28:09,409 --> 00:28:07,100
they're in a revolutionary war you know

689
00:28:11,090 --> 00:28:09,419
innocent native people that were just

690
00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:11,100
there because they were promised

691
00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:13,140
something you know

692
00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:14,940
and then

693
00:28:25,010 --> 00:28:20,940
go 250 years in the future which today

694
00:28:28,850 --> 00:28:25,020
and no matter why there's so much talk

695
00:28:31,970 --> 00:28:28,860
of skin wash being seen or window

696
00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:31,980
problems or you know

697
00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:35,820
Bigfoot or you know Mothman or you know

698
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,240
any any Cryptid or even how about Spirit

699
00:28:45,769 --> 00:28:41,840
activity yeah

700
00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:45,779
so it hits together it all ties together

701
00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:48,779
you know whether it's a skin walker and

702
00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:50,039
all that

703
00:28:54,130 --> 00:28:51,480
um

704
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,140
you know my people we call them the

705
00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:57,360
winaji shook money to which is basically

706
00:29:01,370 --> 00:28:59,580
coyote spirit

707
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:01,380
um

708
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,440
but we have a respect you know when you

709
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:06,480
do the ceremonies and like I said in the

710
00:29:10,010 --> 00:29:08,460
beginning you know I've done both both

711
00:29:11,389 --> 00:29:10,020
I've done dark and I've done the white

712
00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:11,399
so

713
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,620
proud of in the dark ceremonies

714
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:18,960
um sometimes I probably would never be

715
00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:20,760
uh

716
00:29:24,889 --> 00:29:22,860
no I don't even want to say forgiven for

717
00:29:28,190 --> 00:29:24,899
but you know what I mean um

718
00:29:29,389 --> 00:29:28,200
I regret it let's put it that way okay

719
00:29:30,590 --> 00:29:29,399
um

720
00:29:33,649 --> 00:29:30,600
so

721
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,659
but that being said

722
00:29:38,510 --> 00:29:36,000
shapes you

723
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:38,520
does happen

724
00:29:45,370 --> 00:29:42,480
um but like Ryan said to begin with

725
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:45,380
difference between shape-shifting

726
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,340
and spirit possession okay and a lot of

727
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:51,840
people that don't know the native

728
00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:54,000
cultures and stuff around you know the

729
00:29:59,630 --> 00:29:56,940
United States and Canada and even South

730
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,640
America can't distinguish the difference

731
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:01,200
between the both

732
00:30:05,330 --> 00:30:02,940
and that's why there's they're saying

733
00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:05,340
everything's a everything's a skin

734
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,320
walker you know they they see a dog man

735
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:09,840
that's the skin walker they see you know

736
00:30:15,649 --> 00:30:12,480
a chunk of work gone that's a skin law

737
00:30:17,210 --> 00:30:15,659
is he a Bigfoot that's a skin walker a

738
00:30:19,549 --> 00:30:17,220
good way that's a skinwalker you know

739
00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:19,559
not everything is a skin walker okay

740
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:22,380
Skin Walkers you know are gonna be

741
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:28,080
derived from Black Magic okay and

742
00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:30,600
we'll just I'll leave it at that Shane

743
00:30:35,389 --> 00:30:33,779
if you wanted to go right ahead well the

744
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:35,399
one thing with the whole shape-shifting

745
00:30:41,450 --> 00:30:38,399
and people seeing the these wolf men you

746
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:41,460
know that I believe size is also a

747
00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:43,919
different factor to it the the

748
00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:45,960
skinwalkers that these people are seeing

749
00:30:51,049 --> 00:30:48,960
are reported to only be you know six to

750
00:30:53,450 --> 00:30:51,059
six and a half feet tall but when your

751
00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:53,460
typical bipedal canine which is the dog

752
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:55,799
man anywhere from seven to eight feet so

753
00:31:01,009 --> 00:30:58,799
I you think that the size I keep getting

754
00:31:03,409 --> 00:31:01,019
the smaller they are unless they're a

755
00:31:05,570 --> 00:31:03,419
juvenile dog man maybe but I think

756
00:31:07,789 --> 00:31:05,580
there's more to it I have a buddy out

757
00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:07,799
here in California that tracked one for

758
00:31:13,850 --> 00:31:10,740
10 days up in Northern California and it

759
00:31:15,169 --> 00:31:13,860
was a wolf man but it was he he it's a

760
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:15,179
skin walker he don't even tell you that

761
00:31:19,250 --> 00:31:17,519
he's got tracks he's got all the stuff

762
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,260
and he's not saying it's a dog man he

763
00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:21,360
says it's more wolf looking and he's

764
00:31:25,490 --> 00:31:22,860
caught pictures of it on his trail cam

765
00:31:27,169 --> 00:31:25,500
and I mean the casts don't look anything

766
00:31:30,049 --> 00:31:27,179
like what a dog man print would look

767
00:31:32,750 --> 00:31:30,059
like it has as the heel and it has look

768
00:31:35,090 --> 00:31:32,760
it was digging into the ground so but

769
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:35,100
back to the Skinwalker Ranch thing I do

770
00:31:38,590 --> 00:31:37,200
believe there is Paranormal Activity I

771
00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:38,600
don't believe you're going to see the ye

772
00:31:43,009 --> 00:31:41,220
malushi there or you know the Navajo

773
00:31:45,590 --> 00:31:43,019
Skinwalker no there is Paranormal

774
00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:45,600
Activity when what was it Terry and Gwen

775
00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:47,820
Sherman bought it in the mid-90s they

776
00:31:51,710 --> 00:31:49,620
their cows were getting mutilated and

777
00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:51,720
stuffed into trailers you know four to

778
00:31:56,330 --> 00:31:54,120
five cows in a small two-horse trailer

779
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,340
how is that happening there's something

780
00:32:01,310 --> 00:31:58,559
paranormal about it and then when they

781
00:32:03,950 --> 00:32:01,320
sold off the land and then was that

782
00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:03,960
Brandon fugle bought it and 20 was it

783
00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:07,140
2015 or 2016. I just I think now it just

784
00:32:12,470 --> 00:32:09,720
became a research lab that all these

785
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,480
extraterrestrial sightings and wolves

786
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:14,399
jumping in through portals and I'm not

787
00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:15,480
saying that they're dogmen because

788
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,340
they're they're all in all fours but

789
00:32:22,430 --> 00:32:19,440
they're just large wolf-like creatures

790
00:32:24,889 --> 00:32:22,440
and that I mean there's something to it

791
00:32:26,450 --> 00:32:24,899
I do believe the land is cursed but I

792
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:26,460
don't believe you're seeing Skin Walkers

793
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,080
every single time there might be

794
00:32:33,230 --> 00:32:30,480
different things that I do believe that

795
00:32:35,810 --> 00:32:33,240
their uaps do have a there aren't Little

796
00:32:37,130 --> 00:32:35,820
Green Men coming in you know and

797
00:32:39,289 --> 00:32:37,140
dropping these things off I do believe

798
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:39,299
these things are all somewhat paranormal

799
00:32:44,570 --> 00:32:41,120
or interdimensional

800
00:32:47,690 --> 00:32:44,580
yeah the chunk of work on too is uh is

801
00:32:49,610 --> 00:32:47,700
from the area Skinwalker Ranch too isn't

802
00:32:51,529 --> 00:32:49,620
it I mean not like like everything

803
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,539
that's that Shane just said you know not

804
00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:53,519
everything can be labeled a skinwalker

805
00:32:57,289 --> 00:32:55,320
you know right right so I mean you got

806
00:32:59,450 --> 00:32:57,299
there's there's other Mysteries to be

807
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,460
solved out there people you know there's

808
00:33:04,909 --> 00:33:00,960
a lot that native people haven't haven't

809
00:33:06,529 --> 00:33:04,919
divulged to you all I mean you know it's

810
00:33:09,169 --> 00:33:06,539
and you're coming up on a generational

811
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:09,179
curse you know I'm I'm I'll explain that

812
00:33:19,789 --> 00:33:16,789
talking about skin walker Ranch you know

813
00:33:21,769 --> 00:33:19,799
I I don't think Skinwalker Ranch is is

814
00:33:24,289 --> 00:33:21,779
really much different than a lot of hot

815
00:33:26,330 --> 00:33:24,299
spots throughout the world I mean in

816
00:33:30,289 --> 00:33:26,340
particular here in North America because

817
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:30,299
there are areas where you get a lot of

818
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,220
different stuff going on I mean you know

819
00:33:36,289 --> 00:33:34,080
you'll get into a case and as

820
00:33:39,350 --> 00:33:36,299
researchers you all know this you'll get

821
00:33:41,330 --> 00:33:39,360
into a case where it's one phenomena

822
00:33:42,889 --> 00:33:41,340
and then as you start getting into the

823
00:33:45,710 --> 00:33:42,899
case and getting into it start talking

824
00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:45,720
to the witnesses

825
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,179
there's other stuff involved with it

826
00:33:53,630 --> 00:33:50,640
uh there always seems to be something

827
00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:53,640
else involved with the actual case uh

828
00:33:58,250 --> 00:33:56,100
recently we had a an upright canine case

829
00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:58,260
that involved

830
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:00,840
uh spirit activity

831
00:34:07,009 --> 00:34:03,600
uh many towns will get Bigfoot cases

832
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:07,019
here in Pennsylvania that involve UFOs

833
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:09,599
in other other phenomena

834
00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:11,760
yeah I you know I I don't think maybe

835
00:34:16,669 --> 00:34:13,800
that that Skinwalker Ranch in particular

836
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,679
is just eating shorts it's it's the most

837
00:34:20,089 --> 00:34:18,240
famous I mean it was been written about

838
00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:20,099
and stuff but I think there are other

839
00:34:25,310 --> 00:34:22,500
areas just as well that have a lot of

840
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:25,320
activity that are just unexplained and

841
00:34:30,649 --> 00:34:28,320
there's some ties there

842
00:34:32,569 --> 00:34:30,659
I'd agree with that

843
00:34:35,089 --> 00:34:32,579
okay

844
00:34:39,770 --> 00:34:37,250
oh curses

845
00:34:42,190 --> 00:34:39,780
now eventually I asked earlier what um

846
00:34:45,710 --> 00:34:42,200
do you think these curses last forever

847
00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:45,720
or can they actually be lifted you know

848
00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:47,820
you talked about all the atrocities that

849
00:34:54,409 --> 00:34:51,000
the American government military

850
00:34:56,210 --> 00:34:54,419
uh put upon the native people and we all

851
00:34:58,730 --> 00:34:56,220
know about the weed we know about that

852
00:35:01,250 --> 00:34:58,740
and uh do you think any of that can ever

853
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:01,260
be lifted is it is it now that it's just

854
00:35:07,670 --> 00:35:03,599
starting to come forward and showing

855
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:10,370
go ahead William uh who are you asking

856
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,920
go ahead William oh me okay yeah

857
00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:15,359
um

858
00:35:20,930 --> 00:35:18,660
well I mean you have your your typical

859
00:35:22,609 --> 00:35:20,940
curses that can be lifted by any any uh

860
00:35:25,010 --> 00:35:22,619
what Joshua Khan

861
00:35:26,690 --> 00:35:25,020
a holy man a man

862
00:35:29,210 --> 00:35:26,700
um

863
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:29,220
if it's done right and out of respect

864
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:31,140
um and and the uh the spirit of the

865
00:35:36,589 --> 00:35:34,320
ancestors actually accept it so accept

866
00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:36,599
their gift and their their you know

867
00:35:41,450 --> 00:35:38,820
they're uh give their approval of

868
00:35:43,609 --> 00:35:41,460
diminishing the curse

869
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,619
um but there's also what we call

870
00:35:51,770 --> 00:35:45,599
generational curses

871
00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:51,780
oh like the curse that was put on the

872
00:35:56,210 --> 00:35:53,160
pahasa

873
00:35:57,770 --> 00:35:56,220
um or uh the against the white man

874
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:57,780
um back in the day

875
00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:01,200
my father and his father told me that uh

876
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:03,300
the curse that they put on would last 10

877
00:36:08,329 --> 00:36:04,800
Generations

878
00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:08,339
that's a generational curse okay now

879
00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,960
that's the difference

880
00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:11,760
um that there's going to be 10

881
00:36:17,329 --> 00:36:14,280
generations of those people that were

882
00:36:19,310 --> 00:36:17,339
directly involved with taking our our

883
00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:19,320
sacred land up from us

884
00:36:24,589 --> 00:36:22,260
and and doing what they did to it

885
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:24,599
and those 10 Generations would suffer

886
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,359
the consequences whether it be you know

887
00:36:32,990 --> 00:36:29,520
whether it be poor health whether it be

888
00:36:35,329 --> 00:36:33,000
uh poor finances or you know what I mean

889
00:36:37,250 --> 00:36:35,339
it could be really anything it could be

890
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,260
really anything

891
00:36:42,290 --> 00:36:39,119
um but

892
00:36:46,190 --> 00:36:42,300
there are things to

893
00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:46,200
I mean everything's based on faith okay

894
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,599
um I have faith in what I used to be

895
00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:50,880
able to do and and still do

896
00:36:55,130 --> 00:36:52,380
um

897
00:36:56,990 --> 00:36:55,140
but I also have faith in in the Creator

898
00:36:58,609 --> 00:36:57,000
he's not gonna like you know have

899
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:58,619
anything done to his people and his

900
00:37:04,010 --> 00:37:00,480
children that

901
00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:04,020
he wouldn't approve of as a test for us

902
00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:06,540
so

903
00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:08,280
I don't know I mean it's just you know

904
00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:09,660
it depends

905
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:12,660
um curses can be lifted

906
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:15,780
um but you also got to figure the faith

907
00:37:20,030 --> 00:37:17,579
of the person involved too in that curse

908
00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:20,040
has got to play a role in it too I mean

909
00:37:25,030 --> 00:37:22,260
if your strong faith and whether whether

910
00:37:27,609 --> 00:37:25,040
it's Catholicism whether it's Buddhism

911
00:37:31,310 --> 00:37:27,619
Hinduism you know

912
00:37:33,410 --> 00:37:31,320
Christianity whatever your faith is if

913
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,420
you stand strong and you're

914
00:37:38,329 --> 00:37:35,760
you can defeat anything

915
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:38,339
you know oh I believe that that's that's

916
00:37:42,589 --> 00:37:40,380
very true yeah I believe it yeah that's

917
00:37:44,329 --> 00:37:42,599
just that that's the whole that's the

918
00:37:44,990 --> 00:37:44,339
whole premise of faith and I mean you

919
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:45,000
know

920
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,980
if they wouldn't have removed all the

921
00:37:52,670 --> 00:37:48,960
Old Testaments and stuff out of the

922
00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:52,680
animal you know like the Book of Jubilee

923
00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:56,040
in the book of Thomas and Mary Magdalene

924
00:38:00,530 --> 00:37:57,180
and all that

925
00:38:01,130 --> 00:38:00,540
you know which I have studied too

926
00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:01,140
um

927
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,480
you know they'd realize that there's a

928
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:06,240
lot more to Christianity than uh what's

929
00:38:11,630 --> 00:38:08,520
in the current King James version so

930
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:11,640
I'll just leave it at that well you're

931
00:38:15,530 --> 00:38:12,300
right

932
00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:15,540
you know there there was a lot removed I

933
00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:16,260
mean

934
00:38:20,210 --> 00:38:18,180
um

935
00:38:23,089 --> 00:38:20,220
yeah well anyway

936
00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:23,099
um now each one of you guys I think some

937
00:38:26,569 --> 00:38:25,020
of you have had some encounters why

938
00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:26,579
don't you tell us a bit about them uh

939
00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:28,980
Brian how you mentioned that you had an

940
00:38:33,950 --> 00:38:31,740
encounter in the description what um

941
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,960
can you tell us about it yeah actually

942
00:38:38,030 --> 00:38:35,760
I've had two encounters I had one with a

943
00:38:40,370 --> 00:38:38,040
type two that's the hyena carrying of a

944
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:40,380
dog man and I've actually I think it's a

945
00:38:44,210 --> 00:38:41,640
it might be a twin day or something

946
00:38:45,650 --> 00:38:44,220
along those lines but with the dog man I

947
00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:45,660
was actually watching my friend's house

948
00:38:48,770 --> 00:38:47,940
where I live and uh he was going on

949
00:38:51,170 --> 00:38:48,780
vacation

950
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,180
you know and so I was doing check-ins in

951
00:38:55,370 --> 00:38:53,760
the morning afternoon night and I

952
00:38:57,170 --> 00:38:55,380
happened to go about midnight one night

953
00:38:59,150 --> 00:38:57,180
and I I heard some kind of weird noises

954
00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:59,160
down by the tree line where the riverbed

955
00:39:02,270 --> 00:39:00,060
would be

956
00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:02,280
and at first I thought maybe it was

957
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:03,599
fragrance because we get a lot of

958
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:04,800
vagrants that travel along the river

959
00:39:09,950 --> 00:39:08,160
beds so me being the smaller guy that I

960
00:39:11,150 --> 00:39:09,960
am in order to drive anybody off I kind

961
00:39:12,589 --> 00:39:11,160
of puffed up a little bit and I was

962
00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:12,599
yelling hey

963
00:39:15,650 --> 00:39:14,220
and at first there was nothing like

964
00:39:17,810 --> 00:39:15,660
everything just kind of went silent for

965
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,820
a moment but then the noises started up

966
00:39:21,130 --> 00:39:19,440
again so again you know me trying to

967
00:39:24,349 --> 00:39:21,140
puff up and be that little puffer fish

968
00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:24,359
hey and this time I was answering back

969
00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:27,000
with this really really deep growl

970
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:29,160
and you know Sunset didn't register on

971
00:39:33,710 --> 00:39:31,200
me at first I was thinking oh is this a

972
00:39:34,730 --> 00:39:33,720
mountain lion or is this a fair you know

973
00:39:37,190 --> 00:39:34,740
because it's not something you hear

974
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:37,200
commonly in a small town in Arizona

975
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:38,820
so as I'm just standing there looking

976
00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:40,260
around see if I can see anything I do

977
00:39:44,329 --> 00:39:42,180
see something in silhouette

978
00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:44,339
and it growls at me again and this time

979
00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:46,619
I can feel the growl just resonating in

980
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,900
my chest I mean my my ribs are shaking

981
00:39:53,089 --> 00:39:50,880
from this my lungs are pounding from the

982
00:39:55,370 --> 00:39:53,099
vibration going on and so I'm just I'm

983
00:39:57,770 --> 00:39:55,380
rooted in place I'm I'm frozen in fear I

984
00:39:59,210 --> 00:39:57,780
don't know what it is I'm hearing and

985
00:40:00,410 --> 00:39:59,220
just as this thing gets closer the

986
00:40:02,089 --> 00:40:00,420
security lights on the back of my

987
00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:02,099
friend's house click on

988
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,900
and as the lights came on I saw the

989
00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:05,280
Amber eyes like you're seeing in the

990
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:07,140
picture on the screen right now

991
00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:09,599
and I could see the facial features and

992
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:11,460
I could see the kind of arch back and

993
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:13,800
the fur and I was looking at a bipedal

994
00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:15,359
hyena I'm looking at this hyena-like

995
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:16,260
thing

996
00:40:19,609 --> 00:40:17,640
and I'm going okay wait a minute there's

997
00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:19,619
a hyena in Arizona now why is there a

998
00:40:24,829 --> 00:40:22,140
hygiene at my friend's backyard you know

999
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,839
so there was some degree of common sense

1000
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:26,160
that was still sticking to me because

1001
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:27,599
I'm going well there's no hyenas in

1002
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:29,520
Arizona we don't live near a zoo

1003
00:40:33,530 --> 00:40:31,920
what is going on here and this thing's

1004
00:40:36,530 --> 00:40:33,540
like kind of stands there staring at me

1005
00:40:37,790 --> 00:40:36,540
for a moment and it Bluff charges me and

1006
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:37,800
right there I mean I probably should

1007
00:40:41,870 --> 00:40:39,599
have ran when it Bluff charged

1008
00:40:43,550 --> 00:40:41,880
but I was just so afraid that I just

1009
00:40:44,809 --> 00:40:43,560
couldn't move man and it was probably a

1010
00:40:46,670 --> 00:40:44,819
good thing because it stopped Bluff

1011
00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:46,680
charging and it just kind of started

1012
00:40:50,450 --> 00:40:47,940
staring at me like I'd see it's head

1013
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,460
tilting one side to the other its ears

1014
00:40:54,650 --> 00:40:53,040
are going up and down and I'm staring at

1015
00:40:56,450 --> 00:40:54,660
it it's staring at me so you know

1016
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,460
finally I'm getting some wits about me

1017
00:41:00,650 --> 00:40:58,079
I'm going okay don't look this thing in

1018
00:41:02,569 --> 00:41:00,660
the eye it's bigger than you it's 15

1019
00:41:04,190 --> 00:41:02,579
feet away it's obviously faster and

1020
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,200
stronger than you so if it wants to eat

1021
00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:06,240
you it's gonna do it so don't provoke it

1022
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:07,980
so I'm not looking this thing in the eye

1023
00:41:11,809 --> 00:41:10,079
I'm trying to stare away stare away

1024
00:41:14,270 --> 00:41:11,819
and I guess maybe it just got bored with

1025
00:41:15,950 --> 00:41:14,280
me it started to slowly back away

1026
00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:15,960
and as it started the back way I could

1027
00:41:19,309 --> 00:41:17,640
hear it snapping twigs and you know

1028
00:41:21,710 --> 00:41:19,319
stepping on rocks and kicking the ground

1029
00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:21,720
the minute was far enough away I just I

1030
00:41:25,069 --> 00:41:23,339
bolted inside my friend's house man I'm

1031
00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:25,079
locking every single door there is I'm

1032
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,700
slamming the window shutting and locking

1033
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:28,800
them I'm looking for his eyes or any

1034
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,940
kind of protection I could have and I

1035
00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:31,680
called him up on the phone going hey yo

1036
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:33,420
man you get back home checking your

1037
00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:34,800
backyard there's a lot of bipedal hyena

1038
00:41:38,990 --> 00:41:37,020
in your backyard

1039
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:39,000
my friends are laughing at me going Ryan

1040
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,619
there's no hyenas in Arizona I'm like

1041
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,960
yep right well I just saw one so explain

1042
00:41:47,390 --> 00:41:44,240
that

1043
00:41:49,069 --> 00:41:47,400
so what happened is when he got home we

1044
00:41:50,329 --> 00:41:49,079
went back in the day I I didn't want to

1045
00:41:51,710 --> 00:41:50,339
go I'm just you know I'm keeping my

1046
00:41:53,210 --> 00:41:51,720
distance going yeah I'm not going back

1047
00:41:55,309 --> 00:41:53,220
there you let me know if you see

1048
00:41:57,170 --> 00:41:55,319
anything he did find scuff marks from

1049
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,180
where this thing had been standing

1050
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,240
so that right there really pushed me

1051
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,160
into researching into the hyena type

1052
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,560
Crypt it's a hyena dog man more so than

1053
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,240
the ones that I hear more about

1054
00:42:10,190 --> 00:42:08,880
and so I have been looking in my area in

1055
00:42:12,170 --> 00:42:10,200
the riverbeds because I like to believe

1056
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,180
they follow the creeks

1057
00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:13,680
that if there's a riverbed they will

1058
00:42:17,390 --> 00:42:15,420
follow the riverbed for food for shelter

1059
00:42:18,530 --> 00:42:17,400
for all the good stuff that they need so

1060
00:42:20,510 --> 00:42:18,540
that's where I've been looking into

1061
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:20,520
those types of Cryptids and for the

1062
00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:23,520
dewende I think the little person that I

1063
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:25,500
saw was actually not too far away from

1064
00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:27,240
where I had the Dogman encounter it was

1065
00:42:32,089 --> 00:42:29,760
where I do my research in the riverbeds

1066
00:42:33,710 --> 00:42:32,099
and that one's not as traumatic as the

1067
00:42:36,109 --> 00:42:33,720
dog man Story I mean I was walking with

1068
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,119
my dog Duke who I take on all my

1069
00:42:39,650 --> 00:42:38,160
investigations and I'm hearing this

1070
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:39,660
trilling like noise if you picture the

1071
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,760
sound that the Predator makes only much

1072
00:42:45,950 --> 00:42:43,920
High more high pitch it's you know very

1073
00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:45,960
very loud and I'm looking around going

1074
00:42:48,890 --> 00:42:47,640
you know what is making that noise and I

1075
00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:48,900
couldn't find anything

1076
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,700
and it kept making this noise I kept

1077
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,560
hearing the whistling over and over and

1078
00:42:56,809 --> 00:42:54,960
over again and at first I didn't know

1079
00:42:59,210 --> 00:42:56,819
what it was and as I rounded this Bend

1080
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,220
in the river right there at the bottom

1081
00:43:02,329 --> 00:43:00,960
of this hill is this little person

1082
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,339
staring at me

1083
00:43:07,550 --> 00:43:04,319
and I mean little he was like maybe

1084
00:43:09,290 --> 00:43:07,560
about this big you know so when I say

1085
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:09,300
little I don't mean three feet four feet

1086
00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:13,200
I mean very very little and he's wearing

1087
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:14,700
little like it looks like squirrel fur

1088
00:43:19,370 --> 00:43:16,980
for his cover for his clothing he's even

1089
00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:19,380
got a tiny little Loy cloth on and he's

1090
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,940
got a long stick that he's using as a

1091
00:43:25,250 --> 00:43:22,319
weapon he just kind of looks at me like

1092
00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:25,260
oh it's just you and he runs up the hill

1093
00:43:31,010 --> 00:43:26,780
and he disappears

1094
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:31,020
wow that's interesting if you know this

1095
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:32,520
whole hyena thing

1096
00:43:36,650 --> 00:43:35,280
we've got them here in Pennsylvania

1097
00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:36,660
um

1098
00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:39,540
and I we've had several sightings

1099
00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:41,400
they're they're mostly they're mostly

1100
00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:42,900
quadrupeds

1101
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:44,760
uh there have been occasions when they

1102
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,480
do stand up as bipedal but they we have

1103
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:50,960
seen them and the the

1104
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,640
characteristics that we get

1105
00:43:58,730 --> 00:43:55,680
are to describe to us is the head is

1106
00:44:01,370 --> 00:43:58,740
almost like a wolf's but the back is

1107
00:44:06,349 --> 00:44:01,380
sloping like a hyena yeah it's got more

1108
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:06,359
hyena markings yeah very short tail

1109
00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:09,119
like that like you're seeing right now

1110
00:44:14,809 --> 00:44:12,060
and uh it's it's

1111
00:44:17,569 --> 00:44:14,819
and they're they're very menacing I we

1112
00:44:19,569 --> 00:44:17,579
had one case in around Tuscarora

1113
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:19,579
National Forest

1114
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:22,319
uh where this deer hunter was up on his

1115
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,520
tree stand

1116
00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:26,160
and this thing he saw a comment in the

1117
00:44:29,089 --> 00:44:28,020
field and he was in on the edge of the

1118
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:29,099
Woods

1119
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:32,160
and this thing literally walked up to

1120
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,800
him sat down with his haunches it was

1121
00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:36,960
looking up at him and just watching for

1122
00:44:42,349 --> 00:44:39,480
like 15 minutes and he said this thing

1123
00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:42,359
was huge he said I had a 30 odd six I

1124
00:44:46,609 --> 00:44:44,819
was not taking a shot at this thing he

1125
00:44:48,829 --> 00:44:46,619
said this thing looks so muscular I'm

1126
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:48,839
sure it could run up the tree after me

1127
00:44:54,770 --> 00:44:51,839
uh he it was just you know he's a

1128
00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:54,780
muscular it looked like a hyena but it

1129
00:44:58,010 --> 00:44:56,760
had the wolf head it was menacing

1130
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,020
looking

1131
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,200
but it eventually just got up walked

1132
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:02,880
away he said he stayed up in a tree

1133
00:45:07,370 --> 00:45:05,040
stand for two hours not knowing if this

1134
00:45:10,490 --> 00:45:07,380
thing was still walking around

1135
00:45:14,329 --> 00:45:10,500
I don't blame it we get to we get these

1136
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:14,339
these uh hyena-like uh uh canine

1137
00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:20,150
yeah actually I ran into a guy that's a

1138
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:22,079
Paranormal Investigator down where I do

1139
00:45:26,210 --> 00:45:24,480
my research and what I found really

1140
00:45:28,609 --> 00:45:26,220
interesting was this guy did not know

1141
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,619
who I was you know I hadn't spoken to

1142
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,240
him and so like there was no chance for

1143
00:45:34,490 --> 00:45:32,640
introduction I was going down this

1144
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,500
tunnel and he told me to be really

1145
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:36,720
careful when you reach the end of this

1146
00:45:43,309 --> 00:45:39,240
tunnel because he saw what he described

1147
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:43,319
as two hyenas on their two eggs with a

1148
00:45:47,569 --> 00:45:45,180
baby there was a pup there

1149
00:45:49,069 --> 00:45:47,579
so him not knowing who I was and not

1150
00:45:51,170 --> 00:45:49,079
knowing that I had seen a hyena type

1151
00:45:52,849 --> 00:45:51,180
Cryptid that really caught my interest

1152
00:45:55,069 --> 00:45:52,859
because it's like somebody else has seen

1153
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,079
this that this guy saw three of them not

1154
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,119
just one of them he saw a family here

1155
00:46:00,770 --> 00:45:58,800
where I'm doing research so that really

1156
00:46:02,510 --> 00:46:00,780
got me like oh yes you know I was very

1157
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:02,520
excited about that

1158
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,160
wow I want to thank Karen for her

1159
00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:07,680
donation very much appreciated so

1160
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:09,480
William do you have uh do you have an

1161
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,630
which maybe not

1162
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,390
um

1163
00:46:26,030 --> 00:46:23,089
yeah this could be a long conversation

1164
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,040
um I've had I've had uh pretty much uh

1165
00:46:29,930 --> 00:46:28,079
every encounter you can think of growing

1166
00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:29,940
up where I grew up

1167
00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:33,420
um I had my first actual uh Bigfoot

1168
00:46:37,609 --> 00:46:34,920
encounter

1169
00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:37,619
um when I was 12 years old riding Dirks

1170
00:46:42,109 --> 00:46:40,500
and uh we were riding around in this in

1171
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:42,119
this big open field

1172
00:46:47,630 --> 00:46:44,880
and the whole size of the field was all

1173
00:46:49,849 --> 00:46:47,640
lined to trees and and hills and

1174
00:46:52,849 --> 00:46:49,859
mountains and all that and uh

1175
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,859
basically went around a couple times and

1176
00:46:56,210 --> 00:46:54,480
something told me just to stop and get

1177
00:46:58,609 --> 00:46:56,220
off the dirt bike so I got off the dirt

1178
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:58,619
bike turned the fuel off and I looked

1179
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:01,920
down towards the I had we came in at

1180
00:47:08,089 --> 00:47:05,119
and uh there was about a nine foot tall

1181
00:47:09,410 --> 00:47:08,099
Bigfoot standing there with its arms up

1182
00:47:12,349 --> 00:47:09,420
in a tree

1183
00:47:13,849 --> 00:47:12,359
reaching up in a branch and I couldn't

1184
00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:13,859
really make out if there was a little

1185
00:47:17,390 --> 00:47:15,780
one with it or not I'm kind of thinking

1186
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,400
there was

1187
00:47:21,770 --> 00:47:20,160
um and the way it was positioned it was

1188
00:47:24,829 --> 00:47:21,780
sideways to me

1189
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:24,839
and in fact hold on a second here I'll

1190
00:47:38,290 --> 00:47:32,510
thank you

1191
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,809
for the proper showing to actually show

1192
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:44,160
something but this is what's off

1193
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,760
sideways okay I couldn't tell if it was

1194
00:47:52,130 --> 00:47:50,160
a female or a male all right it was

1195
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:52,140
every bit of about nine feet tall okay

1196
00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:54,720
maybe eight and a half the shame same

1197
00:47:57,890 --> 00:47:56,579
shape of the head and the shoulders and

1198
00:47:59,690 --> 00:47:57,900
everything

1199
00:48:01,790 --> 00:47:59,700
all the way down to the ankles man is

1200
00:48:03,410 --> 00:48:01,800
what I saw okay and it was reaching up

1201
00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:03,420
in the tree

1202
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,119
all of us saw it

1203
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:08,160
and you know being that young we just

1204
00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:10,140
kind of just stood there and off

1205
00:48:14,030 --> 00:48:12,660
and we kind of looked at each other and

1206
00:48:15,290 --> 00:48:14,040
then by the time we looked back up it

1207
00:48:17,450 --> 00:48:15,300
was gone

1208
00:48:19,309 --> 00:48:17,460
it wasn't there

1209
00:48:20,930 --> 00:48:19,319
so and I mean it must have been no more

1210
00:48:22,130 --> 00:48:20,940
than about two or three seconds and it

1211
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,140
was gone

1212
00:48:25,309 --> 00:48:24,000
we went back through the trailhead

1213
00:48:28,370 --> 00:48:25,319
entrance

1214
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:28,380
with our motorcycles and we

1215
00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:29,880
could

1216
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:32,760
on the seats of our dirt bikes trying to

1217
00:48:37,549 --> 00:48:35,280
reach the branch that it had reached up

1218
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,559
in the tree at and we couldn't even

1219
00:48:42,530 --> 00:48:40,079
touch it standing on our dirt bikes

1220
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,540
it had been at least that Branch had

1221
00:48:47,089 --> 00:48:43,680
been at least

1222
00:48:48,370 --> 00:48:47,099
13 maybe 14 feet in a tree

1223
00:48:50,930 --> 00:48:48,380
so

1224
00:48:53,089 --> 00:48:50,940
the second time

1225
00:48:55,010 --> 00:48:53,099
was about a week later

1226
00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:55,020
and uh

1227
00:48:59,210 --> 00:48:56,460
we were riding dirt bikes again

1228
00:49:00,109 --> 00:48:59,220
different spot though

1229
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:00,119
um

1230
00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:02,400
and it was coming around the woods and

1231
00:49:05,690 --> 00:49:03,480
all that

1232
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:05,700
and I was I was taking my turn on my

1233
00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:07,140
dirt bike you know

1234
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,960
and uh next thing I know this Branch was

1235
00:49:14,450 --> 00:49:11,520
thrown out in front of the the wheel on

1236
00:49:18,049 --> 00:49:14,460
my bike and I flipped over the bike

1237
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,059
and the bike landed on me and I looked

1238
00:49:22,910 --> 00:49:20,480
up and here's this

1239
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:22,920
humongous about the only way I could

1240
00:49:27,950 --> 00:49:24,540
describe it

1241
00:49:30,349 --> 00:49:27,960
was in being a kid at the time you know

1242
00:49:33,049 --> 00:49:30,359
you picture the Hulk

1243
00:49:36,290 --> 00:49:33,059
and you put rabbit fur on him you know

1244
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:36,300
like like black and gray rabbit fur on

1245
00:49:41,150 --> 00:49:37,200
him

1246
00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:41,160
and that's what I saw you know

1247
00:49:46,190 --> 00:49:41,880
um

1248
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:49,309
whoa when it was walking

1249
00:49:53,870 --> 00:49:52,319
from me that's terrifying it turned and

1250
00:49:55,970 --> 00:49:53,880
it looked at me

1251
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:55,980
it it to them looked and said you know

1252
00:49:59,329 --> 00:49:57,839
what I know you're not going to get off

1253
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,339
your ground and come after me because

1254
00:50:04,250 --> 00:50:01,680
I'm I'm bigger than you are so

1255
00:50:06,589 --> 00:50:04,260
but yeah it's and it kind of smirked

1256
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,599
when it went away too it was like you

1257
00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:09,359
know how I got you but I looked off to

1258
00:50:14,690 --> 00:50:11,940
the to the right where it was walking

1259
00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:14,700
and there was another one further down I

1260
00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:16,980
could make it out behind a tree and

1261
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,599
there was a deer there

1262
00:50:23,569 --> 00:50:20,640
so I don't know I interrupted him

1263
00:50:26,569 --> 00:50:23,579
hunting and that's why

1264
00:50:28,849 --> 00:50:26,579
so I've always you know

1265
00:50:30,650 --> 00:50:28,859
tried to figure that one out but yeah

1266
00:50:33,650 --> 00:50:30,660
I've had I've had several counters you

1267
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:33,660
know I've had encounters with uh dog men

1268
00:50:39,530 --> 00:50:36,480
I've had encounters with uh

1269
00:50:42,049 --> 00:50:39,540
well Skinwalker huh

1270
00:50:44,569 --> 00:50:42,059
um and that's only because of the

1271
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,579
you know what my parent was doing at the

1272
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:46,319
time so I got to

1273
00:50:50,690 --> 00:50:48,240
see that firsthand

1274
00:50:52,730 --> 00:50:50,700
um something a child should not see let

1275
00:50:53,390 --> 00:50:52,740
me put it to you that way

1276
00:50:56,210 --> 00:50:53,400
um

1277
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,220
but yeah they're the couple dogmen that

1278
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,319
my wife and I uh had a run-in with one

1279
00:51:02,329 --> 00:51:00,480
time walking her little

1280
00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:02,339
that must have been about 11 o'clock at

1281
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,260
night and uh

1282
00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:07,200
there was they were at first we just

1283
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,300
heard the growls you know the very

1284
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:11,040
distinctive

1285
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:14,160
canine growl

1286
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:17,520
um that basically shook your insides and

1287
00:51:22,670 --> 00:51:20,640
and woke you up it really did

1288
00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:22,680
um that put us that put us on a guard

1289
00:51:27,049 --> 00:51:25,260
and uh I always you know I work around

1290
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:27,059
out around here because we're out in the

1291
00:51:32,450 --> 00:51:29,160
middle of nowhere basically I always

1292
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,460
carry a sidearm with me wherever I go

1293
00:51:36,109 --> 00:51:34,319
um because of you know the wildlife

1294
00:51:37,730 --> 00:51:36,119
around here and we just saw a mountain

1295
00:51:41,150 --> 00:51:37,740
lion not more than

1296
00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:41,160
we go so

1297
00:51:45,530 --> 00:51:42,839
um you know they we have them here

1298
00:51:47,630 --> 00:51:45,540
because we have mountains so

1299
00:51:50,089 --> 00:51:47,640
but uh

1300
00:51:53,390 --> 00:51:50,099
yeah they're back here in East there's

1301
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:53,400
no doubt about it and uh

1302
00:51:58,690 --> 00:51:56,400
oh yeah yeah ever since they introduced

1303
00:52:01,849 --> 00:51:58,700
the wolf and the elf to uh back in the

1304
00:52:05,089 --> 00:52:01,859
Appalachian Mountains you know they've

1305
00:52:07,549 --> 00:52:05,099
definitely come with it so but uh yeah

1306
00:52:09,770 --> 00:52:07,559
we we've seen our share of weird stuff

1307
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:09,780
here in Virginia too

1308
00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:12,720
but uh yeah I mean I've seen everything

1309
00:52:17,690 --> 00:52:15,300
one I just it'd be too long of a program

1310
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:17,700
if I talked about just what I saw so

1311
00:52:23,150 --> 00:52:21,119
well I appreciate what you told us

1312
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,160
have you ever had an encounter

1313
00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:25,440
well well I've only been researching for

1314
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,540
the last seven months personally with my

1315
00:52:31,549 --> 00:52:29,760
wife and at first she thought I think

1316
00:52:33,530 --> 00:52:31,559
the whole thing is crazy but I'm like

1317
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,540
hey there's something I'm really curious

1318
00:52:38,569 --> 00:52:35,520
about you know and I'm more into the

1319
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:38,579
Dogman than any other Cryptid and she

1320
00:52:42,770 --> 00:52:40,559
was like hey I'll tag along with you so

1321
00:52:45,470 --> 00:52:42,780
we're in this together and never had an

1322
00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:45,480
encounter but we've had I believe

1323
00:52:52,849 --> 00:52:49,020
sightings or like structures we the area

1324
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,859
I go to is east of Fresno and here in

1325
00:52:56,930 --> 00:52:54,720
California and it's up in the mountains

1326
00:52:58,370 --> 00:52:56,940
and it's really known for Sasquatch in

1327
00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:58,380
the last four to five years there's been

1328
00:53:03,770 --> 00:53:00,900
two to three I believe possibly four

1329
00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:03,780
sightings of dogmen so I go up there and

1330
00:53:08,089 --> 00:53:05,400
that's where I drive about two hours and

1331
00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:08,099
we get there and that's I'm actually

1332
00:53:12,970 --> 00:53:10,380
seeking an encounter you know as the

1333
00:53:15,530 --> 00:53:12,980
crazy say don't do that you know

1334
00:53:17,750 --> 00:53:15,540
I I want to see it with my own two eyes

1335
00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:17,760
I believe Ryan's and kilners I believe

1336
00:53:21,890 --> 00:53:19,740
Williams everyone that says they've had

1337
00:53:24,049 --> 00:53:21,900
an encounter I believe them I I kind of

1338
00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:24,059
just want to get those facts for my own

1339
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:26,460
self you know I have more questions than

1340
00:53:30,490 --> 00:53:29,400
I need that I want answered and the area

1341
00:53:33,230 --> 00:53:30,500
I go to

1342
00:53:35,450 --> 00:53:33,240
we recently came across tree structures

1343
00:53:37,609 --> 00:53:35,460
and dens and I've sent those to a good

1344
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,619
friend of mine uh D.A Roberts and he

1345
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,599
said that looks more like dogmen then

1346
00:53:44,329 --> 00:53:42,240
because I guess the Sasquatch dins are

1347
00:53:45,650 --> 00:53:44,339
more woven and these were just like tree

1348
00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:45,660
branches that were just thrown together

1349
00:53:51,230 --> 00:53:48,300
and then I got a print of what looks

1350
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:51,240
like a canine uh I know it's not wolfs

1351
00:53:54,109 --> 00:53:52,319
because we don't have wolves in

1352
00:53:56,329 --> 00:53:54,119
California Northern California they're

1353
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:56,339
reintroducing them slowly but the last

1354
00:54:02,270 --> 00:53:59,520
wolf that was eradicated was in 1924 and

1355
00:54:04,430 --> 00:54:02,280
this area alone there's no wolves there

1356
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:04,440
might be coyotes but the print that I do

1357
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:06,559
have it looks a lot bigger than a coyote

1358
00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:10,260
and that's I I think you know in the

1359
00:54:15,950 --> 00:54:13,140
seven months we've been in the woods up

1360
00:54:18,290 --> 00:54:15,960
near Springville California and it was

1361
00:54:20,030 --> 00:54:18,300
snow all on the ground when the wife and

1362
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,040
I were hiking in we were we hiked about

1363
00:54:24,770 --> 00:54:22,559
a mile and a half in but the woods was

1364
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:24,780
totally silent and I've been told since

1365
00:54:30,109 --> 00:54:27,359
day one that when you hear no birds

1366
00:54:32,089 --> 00:54:30,119
chirping crickets nothing that's a sign

1367
00:54:34,609 --> 00:54:32,099
of an apex predator or something's in

1368
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:34,619
the woods so to me that's also Sasquatch

1369
00:54:39,170 --> 00:54:37,680
territory maybe we are being observed uh

1370
00:54:41,390 --> 00:54:39,180
I don't I've never had a physical

1371
00:54:43,970 --> 00:54:41,400
encounter or a sighting but the tree

1372
00:54:46,490 --> 00:54:43,980
structures and the prints I think I'm

1373
00:54:48,289 --> 00:54:46,500
almost there to get that and then once I

1374
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,299
do get that encounter it's going to

1375
00:54:52,130 --> 00:54:50,160
answer all my you know there's even a

1376
00:54:53,569 --> 00:54:52,140
sighting we're just you know seeing it

1377
00:54:55,849 --> 00:54:53,579
run up beside the hill or across the

1378
00:54:57,650 --> 00:54:55,859
freeway that's what I'm hoping to see

1379
00:54:59,630 --> 00:54:57,660
and then once I do I'm out of the crypto

1380
00:55:01,309 --> 00:54:59,640
Community I'm I think you answered what

1381
00:55:04,130 --> 00:55:01,319
I do I'm I'll still be friends with

1382
00:55:07,309 --> 00:55:04,140
William and eulon and William and Ryan

1383
00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:07,319
and Vincent and everybody but I'm gonna

1384
00:55:11,870 --> 00:55:09,540
I have a passion right now for Cleveland

1385
00:55:13,849 --> 00:55:11,880
especially dogmen that's what he says

1386
00:55:16,010 --> 00:55:13,859
now but watch when he sees one he's

1387
00:55:18,109 --> 00:55:16,020
gonna get sucked right in my wife said

1388
00:55:19,970 --> 00:55:18,119
exactly you're really gonna give up all

1389
00:55:22,370 --> 00:55:19,980
your West Coast and all your friends and

1390
00:55:23,210 --> 00:55:22,380
I was like no I made her a promise you

1391
00:55:25,309 --> 00:55:23,220
know

1392
00:55:27,049 --> 00:55:25,319
that's something I try to keep it I've

1393
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:27,059
said I'll still listen to the podcast

1394
00:55:31,069 --> 00:55:29,640
and still talk to people no it's not

1395
00:55:33,710 --> 00:55:31,079
going to happen that way bro you're

1396
00:55:37,490 --> 00:55:33,720
going to see one of using oh right back

1397
00:55:39,890 --> 00:55:37,500
yeah you know I had my encounters but

1398
00:55:43,010 --> 00:55:39,900
yeah when I had my first one I got

1399
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,020
sucked in exactly and yeah all I was

1400
00:55:48,829 --> 00:55:45,599
doing I was doing you know paranormal

1401
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:48,839
sightings and spiritual and uh spirit

1402
00:55:53,809 --> 00:55:51,359
rescue I'm an intuitive I was doing work

1403
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:53,819
with people and individuals and such but

1404
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:55,920
yeah when I had that encounter with the

1405
00:56:00,049 --> 00:55:58,319
Bigfoot in 81 that was that's where it

1406
00:56:03,049 --> 00:56:00,059
all started at and it was just like it

1407
00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:03,059
just you know it kept going annoying you

1408
00:56:07,970 --> 00:56:05,460
know but you know right now we're

1409
00:56:10,250 --> 00:56:07,980
working right now because it's been busy

1410
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:10,260
this year we've got four active

1411
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:12,720
cryptic canine encounters here in

1412
00:56:17,569 --> 00:56:14,400
Pennsylvania right now

1413
00:56:19,609 --> 00:56:17,579
wow that my team's working on yeah yeah

1414
00:56:21,289 --> 00:56:19,619
the nadp says that Pennsylvania and

1415
00:56:24,349 --> 00:56:21,299
Arkansas are the two hot spots right now

1416
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:24,359
you know with all it probably is

1417
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,839
this is probably the the most active

1418
00:56:33,890 --> 00:56:30,480
summer that we've had

1419
00:56:36,829 --> 00:56:33,900
oh I guess since 2013 when Butch and I

1420
00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:36,839
started really looking into it uh but

1421
00:56:42,410 --> 00:56:39,119
yeah they've been they've been real and

1422
00:56:45,890 --> 00:56:42,420
some of them are really weird too uh

1423
00:56:47,630 --> 00:56:45,900
yeah it's not your typical sighting I I

1424
00:56:50,510 --> 00:56:47,640
think um

1425
00:56:52,010 --> 00:56:50,520
I think uh Vincent can probably put some

1426
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:52,020
pictures up of some of the ones that

1427
00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:54,480
have that have been described to us but

1428
00:56:57,530 --> 00:56:55,260
uh

1429
00:57:02,030 --> 00:56:57,540
yeah it's bizarre

1430
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:02,040
so let me ask you about portals now

1431
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:04,799
first of all what is the

1432
00:57:12,650 --> 00:57:08,880
Native American native peoples

1433
00:57:14,990 --> 00:57:12,660
thoughts on Portals do they exist

1434
00:57:17,210 --> 00:57:15,000
or is it part of the culture or what

1435
00:57:20,930 --> 00:57:17,220
what is it how about a William can you

1436
00:57:24,589 --> 00:57:22,730
well we didn't we didn't know what to

1437
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:24,599
call them back in the day

1438
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:28,079
right because you could travel from one

1439
00:57:33,710 --> 00:57:30,960
realm to another so we didn't know the

1440
00:57:37,069 --> 00:57:33,720
terrible portals or whatnot but uh

1441
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:37,079
you know um yeah I mean with any

1442
00:57:41,450 --> 00:57:38,640
indigenous culture you're going to find

1443
00:57:43,309 --> 00:57:41,460
Legends of where people are one minute

1444
00:57:44,510 --> 00:57:43,319
walking there and then the next they're

1445
00:57:47,089 --> 00:57:44,520
gone

1446
00:57:48,410 --> 00:57:47,099
so um you have it nowadays more more

1447
00:57:50,750 --> 00:57:48,420
frequently than ever especially

1448
00:57:52,490 --> 00:57:50,760
especially in the national forests

1449
00:57:55,370 --> 00:57:52,500
which is a completely different animal

1450
00:57:58,250 --> 00:57:55,380
all together uh you look at all look at

1451
00:57:59,210 --> 00:57:58,260
all the 4-1-1 missing uh cases that are

1452
00:58:01,010 --> 00:57:59,220
out there

1453
00:58:02,950 --> 00:58:01,020
um you know and then the ones that don't

1454
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:02,960
turn up missing that are actually found

1455
00:58:09,170 --> 00:58:07,200
six to ten miles further away that had

1456
00:58:11,870 --> 00:58:09,180
no idea that they could even get to that

1457
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:11,880
location in a short period of time that

1458
00:58:16,730 --> 00:58:14,400
they were found in there so

1459
00:58:21,730 --> 00:58:16,740
um there was one case that I can recall

1460
00:58:25,609 --> 00:58:21,740
up in uh in um uh where was it um

1461
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:25,619
Yosemite where a little boy was lost a

1462
00:58:31,730 --> 00:58:28,079
little four-year-old kid and uh what

1463
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:31,740
they found him you know a day later

1464
00:58:37,490 --> 00:58:35,040
um up in like a high mountain 6 000 feet

1465
00:58:39,890 --> 00:58:37,500
up in a mountain area you know where he

1466
00:58:41,690 --> 00:58:39,900
would have never been able to get to you

1467
00:58:43,849 --> 00:58:41,700
know so I mean either he walked into a

1468
00:58:45,530 --> 00:58:43,859
portal and ended up there or

1469
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:45,540
a Cryptid took him there I don't know

1470
00:58:52,010 --> 00:58:48,480
but uh yeah you know your guess is as

1471
00:58:56,210 --> 00:58:54,109
yeah I mean

1472
00:58:57,890 --> 00:58:56,220
if you're if you're open my if you're a

1473
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:57,900
cryptozoologist or you're looking into

1474
00:59:03,530 --> 00:59:01,440
the phenomena and you're open-minded you

1475
00:59:07,549 --> 00:59:03,540
you almost got to

1476
00:59:09,650 --> 00:59:07,559
agree that there's something

1477
00:59:12,170 --> 00:59:09,660
just unexplained about what's going on

1478
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:12,180
how people just disappear or people end

1479
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:13,920
up in other places

1480
00:59:19,849 --> 00:59:16,680
uh glitches

1481
00:59:22,370 --> 00:59:19,859
Time Slips you you hear read about it

1482
00:59:23,809 --> 00:59:22,380
all the time I've never experienced it

1483
00:59:25,730 --> 00:59:23,819
but

1484
00:59:27,430 --> 00:59:25,740
I have talked to some pretty reliable

1485
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:27,440
people that have

1486
00:59:33,410 --> 00:59:30,720
and um I mean this all comes back to

1487
00:59:36,530 --> 00:59:33,420
what people believe that Cryptids really

1488
00:59:38,690 --> 00:59:36,540
are are they interdimensional beings or

1489
00:59:42,589 --> 00:59:38,700
the ultra terrestrials do they come from

1490
00:59:44,450 --> 00:59:42,599
another reality or Dimension uh

1491
00:59:46,430 --> 00:59:44,460
hey I believe I believe there are

1492
00:59:47,809 --> 00:59:46,440
indigenous Cryptids I'm you know don't

1493
00:59:50,930 --> 00:59:47,819
get me wrong

1494
00:59:54,650 --> 00:59:50,940
but I believe also in some areas that

1495
00:59:57,289 --> 00:59:54,660
they do have the ability to just show up

1496
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:57,299
um about whatever mechanism or whatever

1497
01:00:06,650 --> 01:00:00,000
they do I mean could this be related

1498
01:00:12,049 --> 01:00:09,109
I mean I'm asking anyone to come forward

1499
01:00:15,410 --> 01:00:13,849
well I mean there's nothing saying that

1500
01:00:17,809 --> 01:00:15,420
Flesh and Blood can't walk in both

1501
01:00:19,970 --> 01:00:17,819
worlds well that's true too and I'm I'm

1502
01:00:21,410 --> 01:00:19,980
not I'm saying and I am agreeing that I

1503
01:00:23,329 --> 01:00:21,420
think a lot of these

1504
01:00:25,730 --> 01:00:23,339
these are Flesh and Blood beings even

1505
01:00:28,970 --> 01:00:25,740
though they do move Beyond worlds I I I

1506
01:00:32,690 --> 01:00:28,980
I believe that entirely

1507
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,700
right now um whether you talk uh whether

1508
01:00:37,250 --> 01:00:35,040
you know certain Cryptids were

1509
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:37,260
Genetically Enhanced by uh the

1510
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:39,119
military-industrial complex or whether

1511
01:00:43,069 --> 01:00:41,520
you talk about uh

1512
01:00:45,049 --> 01:00:43,079
um aliens

1513
01:00:46,849 --> 01:00:45,059
um that are you know well take for

1514
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:46,859
instance the cattle mutilations

1515
01:00:52,910 --> 01:00:50,000
perfect example you know

1516
01:00:56,210 --> 01:00:52,920
uh taking something

1517
01:00:58,970 --> 01:00:56,220
and trying to mutated into something to

1518
01:01:01,250 --> 01:00:58,980
either continue your species or develop

1519
01:01:02,630 --> 01:01:01,260
a whole nother species that's the only

1520
01:01:05,870 --> 01:01:02,640
reason they're going to do genetic

1521
01:01:08,510 --> 01:01:05,880
testing so

1522
01:01:10,190 --> 01:01:08,520
um but yeah I mean they you could you

1523
01:01:13,730 --> 01:01:10,200
could call chalk some of it up to being

1524
01:01:15,950 --> 01:01:13,740
alien to you can I've even heard uh uh

1525
01:01:18,530 --> 01:01:15,960
stories of

1526
01:01:20,510 --> 01:01:18,540
um force people uh walking in you know

1527
01:01:22,010 --> 01:01:20,520
divorced resurfaced people walking out

1528
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,020
in the middle of nowhere and and

1529
01:01:27,710 --> 01:01:24,480
stumbling upon uh aliens

1530
01:01:29,630 --> 01:01:27,720
and uh 20 feet from an alien at where

1531
01:01:31,970 --> 01:01:29,640
where the alien was pumping something

1532
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:31,980
out out of the ground

1533
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:34,319
um there was a 20 feet away 30 feet away

1534
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:36,000
there was a nine foot tall Bigfoot

1535
01:01:39,170 --> 01:01:37,440
standing guard

1536
01:01:41,650 --> 01:01:39,180
right so I mean

1537
01:01:44,089 --> 01:01:41,660
you know I mean it's it's

1538
01:01:46,250 --> 01:01:44,099
anybody's guess you know and anybody

1539
01:01:48,770 --> 01:01:46,260
that says that they're an expert

1540
01:01:49,930 --> 01:01:48,780
I'm sorry I don't mean to burst their

1541
01:01:52,910 --> 01:01:49,940
bubbles

1542
01:01:55,450 --> 01:01:52,920
nobody is an expert nobody's in this

1543
01:01:58,609 --> 01:01:55,460
world says they are it's like sorry

1544
01:02:00,410 --> 01:01:58,619
exactly exactly I I there's you know I

1545
01:02:02,930 --> 01:02:00,420
hate I hate going on the show and

1546
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:02,940
somebody said yeah he's the next no

1547
01:02:07,849 --> 01:02:05,039
there are no experts in this field I

1548
01:02:10,010 --> 01:02:07,859
mean any any as far as a paranormal

1549
01:02:12,589 --> 01:02:10,020
you're on all levels you know you're

1550
01:02:15,410 --> 01:02:12,599
you're not an expert that's just the way

1551
01:02:18,109 --> 01:02:15,420
it is right uh you know if you had if

1552
01:02:19,609 --> 01:02:18,119
you had the uh explanation for

1553
01:02:22,609 --> 01:02:19,619
everything that's going on yeah then

1554
01:02:24,289 --> 01:02:22,619
maybe you are an expert but you you know

1555
01:02:27,529 --> 01:02:24,299
I don't know of anybody that knows

1556
01:02:30,049 --> 01:02:27,539
everything so no I think or a

1557
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:30,059
cryptocurologist I mean one thing that

1558
01:02:34,250 --> 01:02:32,400
we learn as researchers is we just don't

1559
01:02:36,890 --> 01:02:34,260
know you know that's the one thing we

1560
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,900
can tell people is we just don't know

1561
01:02:42,170 --> 01:02:38,640
we know that we don't know that's about

1562
01:02:45,289 --> 01:02:42,180
it exactly that's it that is it yeah

1563
01:02:47,450 --> 01:02:45,299
yeah that is it yeah exactly and um and

1564
01:02:49,609 --> 01:02:47,460
and clear these theories change every

1565
01:02:51,950 --> 01:02:49,619
day too though I mean with with certain

1566
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:51,960
things that come up you know for new

1567
01:02:55,670 --> 01:02:54,000
information that comes available you

1568
01:02:59,690 --> 01:02:55,680
know and and theories and speculation

1569
01:03:02,150 --> 01:02:59,700
and all that change over time so you

1570
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:02,160
know all I'm putting into my into it is

1571
01:03:07,789 --> 01:03:05,280
is my personal experiences and my native

1572
01:03:10,910 --> 01:03:07,799
background in dealing with the subject

1573
01:03:13,010 --> 01:03:10,920
so you know I'm I'm by as far as no

1574
01:03:15,289 --> 01:03:13,020
means an expert in any way shape or form

1575
01:03:20,029 --> 01:03:15,299
I'm just an old Native American man

1576
01:03:20,809 --> 01:03:20,039
trying to you know survive so

1577
01:03:23,450 --> 01:03:20,819
um

1578
01:03:25,730 --> 01:03:23,460
you know Shane's Shane's more of an

1579
01:03:27,410 --> 01:03:25,740
expert than I am I mean you know no he's

1580
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:27,420
he's the one that actually gets in there

1581
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:30,319
and and does and does expert uh you know

1582
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,119
uh basically the groundwork I mean and

1583
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:35,280
and Ryan they're the ones that get in

1584
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:36,720
there and do the research and all that

1585
01:03:47,210 --> 01:03:45,230
I'm the one I'm the one I'm the one

1586
01:03:50,990 --> 01:03:47,220
that's uh that was out there you know

1587
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:51,000
you know in my youth and and my you know

1588
01:03:56,329 --> 01:03:54,319
young adult time that I spent

1589
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:56,339
exorberant amount of time out in the

1590
01:03:59,930 --> 01:03:58,559
wilderness in the middle of no and

1591
01:04:02,870 --> 01:03:59,940
that's how I learned all you know

1592
01:04:03,710 --> 01:04:02,880
growing up being Native American so

1593
01:04:05,930 --> 01:04:03,720
um

1594
01:04:07,609 --> 01:04:05,940
you know yes I have my counters still

1595
01:04:08,329 --> 01:04:07,619
today

1596
01:04:10,670 --> 01:04:08,339
um

1597
01:04:13,549 --> 01:04:10,680
but uh you know the last encounter I had

1598
01:04:16,970 --> 01:04:13,559
was back in uh probably uh

1599
01:04:19,010 --> 01:04:16,980
probably about a a year ago I'd say

1600
01:04:21,950 --> 01:04:19,020
about a year ago

1601
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:21,960
um but uh yeah I mean we're all learning

1602
01:04:27,289 --> 01:04:25,200
and and nobody's a professional or or a

1603
01:04:29,630 --> 01:04:27,299
uh an expert in any way shape or form

1604
01:04:32,210 --> 01:04:29,640
but we all need to definitely come

1605
01:04:35,089 --> 01:04:32,220
together and talk about this and get it

1606
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:35,099
out there in the open and and work on

1607
01:04:41,150 --> 01:04:39,359
some kind of rationale and and theory on

1608
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:41,160
what's going on

1609
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:42,960
so

1610
01:04:48,470 --> 01:04:46,079
dids whether it's UFOs whether it's you

1611
01:04:51,470 --> 01:04:48,480
know mysterious mysteries of people

1612
01:04:53,690 --> 01:04:51,480
missing and Vanishing I mean there's so

1613
01:04:55,609 --> 01:04:53,700
much going on out there that you know

1614
01:04:57,650 --> 01:04:55,619
people need to talk they need to get

1615
01:04:59,690 --> 01:04:57,660
together and just just clang their

1616
01:05:01,549 --> 01:04:59,700
brains together you know and

1617
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:01,559
carry on conversations because that's

1618
01:05:05,150 --> 01:05:02,640
the only way you're going to find out

1619
01:05:06,529 --> 01:05:05,160
the facts so you know

1620
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:06,539
I agree that's why I like doing these

1621
01:05:11,210 --> 01:05:09,599
round tables I mean it's um I've talked

1622
01:05:13,370 --> 01:05:11,220
to people who I for the most part I've

1623
01:05:15,230 --> 01:05:13,380
never talked to you before we get all

1624
01:05:18,650 --> 01:05:15,240
kinds of different perspectives on a lot

1625
01:05:20,750 --> 01:05:18,660
of different things and uh yeah I mean

1626
01:05:22,430 --> 01:05:20,760
I've been doing this 45 years I've

1627
01:05:25,789 --> 01:05:22,440
learned every day

1628
01:05:27,230 --> 01:05:25,799
you know yeah so yeah that's what you

1629
01:05:29,450 --> 01:05:27,240
should do too it should you learn as you

1630
01:05:31,250 --> 01:05:29,460
go yeah to learn something new every day

1631
01:05:33,890 --> 01:05:31,260
you know never close yourself off to

1632
01:05:35,089 --> 01:05:33,900
somebody else's opinion or ideas absorb

1633
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:35,099
it all like a sponge you know like Shane

1634
01:05:39,049 --> 01:05:36,720
does you know he's so open to learning

1635
01:05:40,609 --> 01:05:39,059
folklore and Science and yeah you know

1636
01:05:42,109 --> 01:05:40,619
he's just so willing to work with

1637
01:05:43,010 --> 01:05:42,119
everybody that's how everybody's got to

1638
01:05:45,890 --> 01:05:43,020
be

1639
01:05:47,329 --> 01:05:45,900
you know I mean or for science we can't

1640
01:05:48,890 --> 01:05:47,339
deny science or folklore we're going to

1641
01:05:51,789 --> 01:05:48,900
blend them all together and really work

1642
01:05:56,930 --> 01:05:54,230
yeah Andrew asked something about public

1643
01:05:59,029 --> 01:05:56,940
ridicule and you know sure there's a lot

1644
01:06:02,329 --> 01:05:59,039
of public ridicule

1645
01:06:03,710 --> 01:06:02,339
um but I don't think people ridicule as

1646
01:06:07,789 --> 01:06:03,720
much as they used to

1647
01:06:09,410 --> 01:06:07,799
I agree um the Internet TV shows and all

1648
01:06:12,349 --> 01:06:09,420
kinds of things not that I necessarily

1649
01:06:14,270 --> 01:06:12,359
believe in the TV shows and some of what

1650
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:14,280
they're putting out there because uh you

1651
01:06:21,109 --> 01:06:16,319
know it's a lot of production it's

1652
01:06:22,970 --> 01:06:21,119
become popular yeah exactly exactly

1653
01:06:25,789 --> 01:06:22,980
they really killed me I'll send

1654
01:06:27,910 --> 01:06:25,799
something to pay him a visit I said they

1655
01:06:29,809 --> 01:06:27,920
ridiculed me yeah

1656
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:29,819
I've been there

1657
01:06:40,370 --> 01:06:37,309
oh my god

1658
01:06:42,650 --> 01:06:40,380
um yeah you know uh Vincent asked

1659
01:06:44,690 --> 01:06:42,660
something about what your thoughts are

1660
01:06:48,589 --> 01:06:44,700
is there is there an indigenous

1661
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:48,599
connection to um dear women and the uh

1662
01:06:52,609 --> 01:06:51,359
the not deer phenomena

1663
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:52,619
um

1664
01:06:55,730 --> 01:06:54,000
you know

1665
01:06:58,130 --> 01:06:55,740
this is something that I've been getting

1666
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:58,140
more of the last couple years

1667
01:07:03,950 --> 01:07:00,960
especially the not deer where people see

1668
01:07:05,930 --> 01:07:03,960
something that looks like a deer but

1669
01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:05,940
it's got a lot of humanoid qualities to

1670
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:09,180
it it's got the front setting eyes

1671
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:12,000
a lot of times the limbs are somewhat

1672
01:07:18,049 --> 01:07:14,160
different look some has some muscular

1673
01:07:20,510 --> 01:07:18,059
you know human and human muscular uh

1674
01:07:22,609 --> 01:07:20,520
aspects to it what are your thoughts on

1675
01:07:25,789 --> 01:07:22,619
that are these just shape shifters or

1676
01:07:29,569 --> 01:07:25,799
are these natural beings or or what what

1677
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:32,029
well if you want my take on it I mean

1678
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:34,640
take it right

1679
01:07:39,470 --> 01:07:37,200
not here is something I have a hard time

1680
01:07:42,170 --> 01:07:39,480
wrapping my mind around and I I do have

1681
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,180
to wonder if maybe people are seeing

1682
01:07:46,430 --> 01:07:43,920
deer that have the wasting deer disease

1683
01:07:49,010 --> 01:07:46,440
or the zombie deer disease well that's

1684
01:07:51,230 --> 01:07:49,020
always my question yeah yeah I mean is

1685
01:07:54,049 --> 01:07:51,240
it possible that this disease is just

1686
01:07:56,930 --> 01:07:54,059
mutating these guys so much absolutely

1687
01:07:58,370 --> 01:07:56,940
now as far as a dear woman goes I mean I

1688
01:08:00,170 --> 01:07:58,380
don't think people really realize how

1689
01:08:02,569 --> 01:08:00,180
bad the dear woman can be

1690
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:02,579
you know it's a very very very strong

1691
01:08:05,690 --> 01:08:04,319
spiritual belief that she's always seen

1692
01:08:07,910 --> 01:08:05,700
for a purpose

1693
01:08:10,309 --> 01:08:07,920
and if there are people seeing this dear

1694
01:08:12,410 --> 01:08:10,319
woman there has to be some kind of logic

1695
01:08:14,270 --> 01:08:12,420
and reason behind it she doesn't just

1696
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:14,280
appear to appear to people and tease

1697
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:15,839
them with hey here I am and then go away

1698
01:08:20,510 --> 01:08:18,719
as William will tell you G2 has a

1699
01:08:22,849 --> 01:08:20,520
purpose in the Indigenous people's War

1700
01:08:24,829 --> 01:08:22,859
everything has a rhyming reason okay

1701
01:08:26,450 --> 01:08:24,839
it's not like our urban legends and I

1702
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:26,460
think people need to really start

1703
01:08:31,550 --> 01:08:28,799
differentiating the two that indigenous

1704
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:31,560
people folklore is not the same as you

1705
01:08:35,990 --> 01:08:33,359
know urban legends at all

1706
01:08:37,849 --> 01:08:36,000
everything in the lore has a rhyme a

1707
01:08:40,130 --> 01:08:37,859
reason

1708
01:08:42,349 --> 01:08:40,140
you know so they don't just show up just

1709
01:08:43,849 --> 01:08:42,359
to scare you go away and I'll present

1710
01:08:45,649 --> 01:08:43,859
this to William so he can tell you more

1711
01:08:48,110 --> 01:08:45,659
about the dear woman I think he needs to

1712
01:08:52,189 --> 01:08:48,120
be able to tell you

1713
01:08:56,450 --> 01:08:54,169
all right the dear woman

1714
01:08:58,849 --> 01:08:56,460
um in in most native cultures uh the

1715
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:58,859
deer represents basically the medicine

1716
01:09:03,289 --> 01:09:00,480
of Love

1717
01:09:04,430 --> 01:09:03,299
um and basically A Gentle Spirit

1718
01:09:06,769 --> 01:09:04,440
um you're not going to find too many

1719
01:09:10,249 --> 01:09:06,779
cultures out there that make it the uh

1720
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:10,259
the Cryptid creature that rips off human

1721
01:09:14,870 --> 01:09:12,719
beings and and sucks their blood you

1722
01:09:18,829 --> 01:09:14,880
know what I mean so

1723
01:09:22,010 --> 01:09:18,839
um it's it's more of a

1724
01:09:24,590 --> 01:09:22,020
as with any type of visual sighting

1725
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:24,600
you're going to find that a lot of these

1726
01:09:30,590 --> 01:09:28,560
so-called Cryptids are are warning signs

1727
01:09:32,269 --> 01:09:30,600
of something

1728
01:09:34,729 --> 01:09:32,279
more to come

1729
01:09:37,130 --> 01:09:34,739
um it even some of them come from like

1730
01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:37,140
Irish culture too

1731
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:40,319
um the Highland cultures of Scotland and

1732
01:09:47,149 --> 01:09:43,920
Ireland uh have Cryptids of of deer and

1733
01:09:48,590 --> 01:09:47,159
all that too and uh like the banshee and

1734
01:09:50,930 --> 01:09:48,600
all that

1735
01:09:53,870 --> 01:09:50,940
um where it's strictly just for warnings

1736
01:09:57,490 --> 01:09:53,880
you know to uh to tell of a certain

1737
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:57,500
someone's possible demise of of

1738
01:10:02,149 --> 01:10:00,719
premature death or or to warn you of

1739
01:10:04,189 --> 01:10:02,159
something

1740
01:10:06,649 --> 01:10:04,199
um it's even with my people you know the

1741
01:10:08,570 --> 01:10:06,659
Lakota side of my bloodline you know we

1742
01:10:11,330 --> 01:10:08,580
feel that when we hear an hour when we

1743
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:11,340
see now you know that's that's a sign

1744
01:10:17,689 --> 01:10:14,880
that somebody's gonna die that we know

1745
01:10:19,850 --> 01:10:17,699
and more than likely you know every time

1746
01:10:21,950 --> 01:10:19,860
I've now that actually has come to be

1747
01:10:23,689 --> 01:10:21,960
true so

1748
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,699
um just like when people see Hawks and

1749
01:10:28,010 --> 01:10:25,440
Eagles you know that's a messenger

1750
01:10:30,169 --> 01:10:28,020
that's a sign saying that somebody from

1751
01:10:31,850 --> 01:10:30,179
in your ancestry is trying to

1752
01:10:34,610 --> 01:10:31,860
communicate with you

1753
01:10:36,410 --> 01:10:34,620
um through that Spirit of that animal

1754
01:10:37,669 --> 01:10:36,420
because the hawk and The Eagle are

1755
01:10:42,050 --> 01:10:37,679
messengers

1756
01:10:45,169 --> 01:10:42,060
the crow able to that and the owl or the

1757
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,179
two birds of that are allowed to go

1758
01:10:50,090 --> 01:10:48,000
between Both Worlds you know so you see

1759
01:10:51,709 --> 01:10:50,100
those you know and and the turkey

1760
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:51,719
vulture

1761
01:10:56,330 --> 01:10:54,239
um you pretty much know that that's more

1762
01:10:58,189 --> 01:10:56,340
going to be a less a heavy sign of

1763
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:58,199
something

1764
01:11:03,169 --> 01:11:00,480
um you're a woman

1765
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:03,179
it's the same thing you know it's just a

1766
01:11:08,450 --> 01:11:05,040
warning is all it is

1767
01:11:11,630 --> 01:11:08,460
um you know I mean

1768
01:11:12,530 --> 01:11:11,640
I think a lot has to do too with

1769
01:11:16,250 --> 01:11:12,540
um

1770
01:11:19,250 --> 01:11:16,260
not peridolia but uh I think it has to

1771
01:11:22,130 --> 01:11:19,260
do with just heightened senses

1772
01:11:24,590 --> 01:11:22,140
um and and here again we go back to that

1773
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:24,600
because it always tries to grasp the

1774
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:27,120
closest thing it can rationalize what

1775
01:11:32,330 --> 01:11:29,040
you're seeing with your eyes

1776
01:11:33,770 --> 01:11:32,340
and you know like like when people see

1777
01:11:36,169 --> 01:11:33,780
Bigfoot the only thing they have to

1778
01:11:39,110 --> 01:11:36,179
compare it to is a Silverback Gorilla

1779
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:39,120
you know or you know with the dog man

1780
01:11:43,850 --> 01:11:41,040
you know that the only thing that they

1781
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:43,860
they have to compare is is the werewolf

1782
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:46,800
so Hollywood you know I mean it's you

1783
01:11:52,790 --> 01:11:49,440
know it's that kind of a of a of a thing

1784
01:11:55,970 --> 01:11:52,800
that that goes on too so

1785
01:11:58,729 --> 01:11:55,980
um I have to think that a lot of the uh

1786
01:12:01,130 --> 01:11:58,739
the so-called descriptions of of windigo

1787
01:12:06,050 --> 01:12:01,140
with the deer antlers and all that might

1788
01:12:09,050 --> 01:12:06,060
be misconstrued as you know a deer being

1789
01:12:11,209 --> 01:12:09,060
coming to show a different thing you

1790
01:12:14,689 --> 01:12:11,219
know to somebody you know and they

1791
01:12:17,090 --> 01:12:14,699
misinterpreted it as an evil entity that

1792
01:12:20,750 --> 01:12:17,100
was gonna you know rip their soul out so

1793
01:12:22,910 --> 01:12:20,760
it's just it depends you know I mean

1794
01:12:25,970 --> 01:12:22,920
have different entities that are going

1795
01:12:28,070 --> 01:12:25,980
to come through different ways to people

1796
01:12:31,490 --> 01:12:28,080
so and dear woman's no different than

1797
01:12:34,250 --> 01:12:31,500
any other so right

1798
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:34,260
well you know like any witness that you

1799
01:12:37,729 --> 01:12:36,000
get or anybody comes forward on

1800
01:12:39,410 --> 01:12:37,739
something it always has to do with

1801
01:12:40,430 --> 01:12:39,420
perception

1802
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:40,440
um

1803
01:12:45,169 --> 01:12:42,719
what they think they've seen or what

1804
01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:45,179
they described maybe entirely different

1805
01:12:49,070 --> 01:12:48,420
than what somebody else sees

1806
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:49,080
um

1807
01:12:54,050 --> 01:12:53,040
over time

1808
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:54,060
um but

1809
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,280
you know

1810
01:12:59,390 --> 01:12:57,600
I don't know what that really has to do

1811
01:13:01,070 --> 01:12:59,400
with it but it just I just thought about

1812
01:13:04,010 --> 01:13:01,080
that anyway

1813
01:13:05,149 --> 01:13:04,020
um you know I had a uh you were you were

1814
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,159
talking about

1815
01:13:11,390 --> 01:13:07,440
um certain animals and and birds and

1816
01:13:13,370 --> 01:13:11,400
such I had encounters with owls

1817
01:13:15,470 --> 01:13:13,380
for about a year

1818
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:15,480
uh and many people on the channel have

1819
01:13:18,110 --> 01:13:16,560
heard this but I'm going to tell it

1820
01:13:21,530 --> 01:13:18,120
again I um

1821
01:13:24,350 --> 01:13:21,540
my wife was had cancer and you know she

1822
01:13:27,709 --> 01:13:24,360
was sick for a year and I kept seeing

1823
01:13:31,090 --> 01:13:27,719
all these owls I kept seeing depictions

1824
01:13:34,130 --> 01:13:31,100
of owls people talking about owls

1825
01:13:36,649 --> 01:13:34,140
and uh

1826
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:36,659
I was having

1827
01:13:42,649 --> 01:13:41,760
encounters with tall Grays as well you

1828
01:13:46,910 --> 01:13:42,659
know

1829
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:46,920
but as it was explained to me by several

1830
01:13:52,010 --> 01:13:48,480
people on two levels that maybe the

1831
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:52,020
hours were the representation of um of

1832
01:13:56,450 --> 01:13:54,000
these et's are

1833
01:13:59,930 --> 01:13:56,460
maybe it was something more spiritual

1834
01:14:02,390 --> 01:13:59,940
than that maybe it was uh maybe I was

1835
01:14:04,610 --> 01:14:02,400
seeing it because it was trying to tell

1836
01:14:07,790 --> 01:14:04,620
me that my wife was gonna pass because

1837
01:14:09,950 --> 01:14:07,800
she did eventually uh and as soon as she

1838
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:09,960
passed I stopped seeing them

1839
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:11,520
wow

1840
01:14:17,450 --> 01:14:13,440
I mean what are your thoughts on that I

1841
01:14:22,490 --> 01:14:20,030
well I mean I I can understand and and

1842
01:14:25,310 --> 01:14:22,500
uh I I know what you uh went through

1843
01:14:27,050 --> 01:14:25,320
with your wife because uh I'm I uh have

1844
01:14:28,490 --> 01:14:27,060
gone through two battles with cancer so

1845
01:14:30,530 --> 01:14:28,500
far

1846
01:14:34,010 --> 01:14:30,540
um that's why I'm not out in the field

1847
01:14:36,350 --> 01:14:34,020
currently for

1848
01:14:42,110 --> 01:14:38,330
but uh

1849
01:14:44,570 --> 01:14:42,120
you know I mean even like you said

1850
01:14:47,330 --> 01:14:44,580
though you know as soon as as soon as

1851
01:14:49,970 --> 01:14:47,340
she passed you know you quit seeing them

1852
01:14:52,490 --> 01:14:49,980
and I do believe that that is

1853
01:14:55,370 --> 01:14:52,500
what you were seeing was

1854
01:14:57,649 --> 01:14:55,380
the thing that somebody you know and you

1855
01:15:00,110 --> 01:14:57,659
cared about was going to pass

1856
01:15:02,270 --> 01:15:00,120
but also at the same time

1857
01:15:04,490 --> 01:15:02,280
everything was going to be okay

1858
01:15:07,010 --> 01:15:04,500
because that person is not subject to

1859
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:07,020
the pain of being in a body that's

1860
01:15:10,610 --> 01:15:09,120
that's riddled with a disease

1861
01:15:11,209 --> 01:15:10,620
so

1862
01:15:14,270 --> 01:15:11,219
um

1863
01:15:16,010 --> 01:15:14,280
you know I've I've had my esophagus

1864
01:15:17,209 --> 01:15:16,020
removed and my stomach made my new

1865
01:15:20,270 --> 01:15:17,219
esophagus

1866
01:15:24,290 --> 01:15:20,280
so trust me I know what pain is

1867
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:24,300
um I've gone through 30 30 plus days of

1868
01:15:29,689 --> 01:15:27,120
radiation treatments in a row to try and

1869
01:15:32,450 --> 01:15:29,699
shrink the mass of myself I guess enough

1870
01:15:35,330 --> 01:15:32,460
to even where they could operate I was

1871
01:15:37,729 --> 01:15:35,340
given six months to live

1872
01:15:40,729 --> 01:15:37,739
um that was too

1873
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:40,739
two plus years ago actually

1874
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:41,520
um

1875
01:15:45,830 --> 01:15:43,440
and since then I've had several other

1876
01:15:47,090 --> 01:15:45,840
you know encounters with cancer two of

1877
01:15:49,790 --> 01:15:47,100
it

1878
01:15:52,910 --> 01:15:49,800
um but uh you know

1879
01:15:53,870 --> 01:15:52,920
I haven't heard the owl yet for me

1880
01:15:56,270 --> 01:15:53,880
um

1881
01:15:58,250 --> 01:15:56,280
one thing I tell everybody that uh that

1882
01:16:00,770 --> 01:15:58,260
I talk to um

1883
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:00,780
unless you've dealt with cancer you

1884
01:16:06,590 --> 01:16:03,600
really don't know cancer unless somebody

1885
01:16:08,930 --> 01:16:06,600
you love has been affected with cancer

1886
01:16:13,310 --> 01:16:08,940
you don't know about cancer

1887
01:16:17,810 --> 01:16:13,320
right it's it's such a it's such a a

1888
01:16:20,030 --> 01:16:17,820
debilitating disease and disease that uh

1889
01:16:22,189 --> 01:16:20,040
you know um

1890
01:16:23,689 --> 01:16:22,199
y'all almost have to wonder why the

1891
01:16:27,169 --> 01:16:23,699
Creator actually

1892
01:16:28,130 --> 01:16:27,179
let it let it evolve the way it did

1893
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:28,140
um

1894
01:16:34,729 --> 01:16:31,920
but uh yeah there's there's

1895
01:16:37,010 --> 01:16:34,739
a lot to the owl thing um if people

1896
01:16:39,709 --> 01:16:37,020
would actually pay more attention to the

1897
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:39,719
signs around them

1898
01:16:43,130 --> 01:16:41,520
um they say when you find a feather you

1899
01:16:44,990 --> 01:16:43,140
know that it's an a it's an angel to

1900
01:16:46,970 --> 01:16:45,000
drop the feather from their wing you

1901
01:16:49,850 --> 01:16:46,980
know it's a way that an ancestor of

1902
01:16:51,229 --> 01:16:49,860
yours is trying to communicate with you

1903
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:51,239
um you know

1904
01:16:56,510 --> 01:16:53,520
people say when they see a certain type

1905
01:16:58,610 --> 01:16:56,520
of a butterfly or a ladybug or something

1906
01:17:00,530 --> 01:16:58,620
or a hummingbird

1907
01:17:02,930 --> 01:17:00,540
that's an you know that's one of their

1908
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:02,940
those that asks that

1909
01:17:10,330 --> 01:17:05,040
them

1910
01:17:15,649 --> 01:17:13,729
okay and I think as soon as they start

1911
01:17:17,090 --> 01:17:15,659
looking and noticing them signs again

1912
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:17,100
they're going to start feeling more

1913
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:18,480
human again

1914
01:17:23,390 --> 01:17:22,080
more connected to everything and uh I

1915
01:17:25,790 --> 01:17:23,400
don't know

1916
01:17:27,890 --> 01:17:25,800
I almost feel like that's one of the

1917
01:17:29,810 --> 01:17:27,900
reasons I'm still here

1918
01:17:32,990 --> 01:17:29,820
um it's not only just the Cryptid thing

1919
01:17:34,430 --> 01:17:33,000
and and the paranormal thing

1920
01:17:36,229 --> 01:17:34,440
um but with everything that I've dealt

1921
01:17:38,990 --> 01:17:36,239
with with my health

1922
01:17:40,610 --> 01:17:39,000
um I'm here to teach to teach the

1923
01:17:43,250 --> 01:17:40,620
younger ones you know

1924
01:17:44,510 --> 01:17:43,260
what to do you know and how to do how to

1925
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:44,520
handle things

1926
01:17:49,729 --> 01:17:47,760
um yeah that's why I actually yeah

1927
01:17:50,530 --> 01:17:49,739
that's why I actually have that that

1928
01:17:54,649 --> 01:17:50,540
that

1929
01:17:57,169 --> 01:17:54,659
Symposium on on Monday then Monday

1930
01:17:57,890 --> 01:17:57,179
um on Facebook for everybody

1931
01:18:00,290 --> 01:17:57,900
um

1932
01:18:02,030 --> 01:18:00,300
the native dealing with Bigfoot you know

1933
01:18:04,310 --> 01:18:02,040
and uh

1934
01:18:05,870 --> 01:18:04,320
you know there's just it's just you know

1935
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:05,880
there's a lot to it you know there's a

1936
01:18:11,149 --> 01:18:08,640
lot there's a lot to this world lawn you

1937
01:18:14,209 --> 01:18:11,159
know that that we as

1938
01:18:16,189 --> 01:18:14,219
as human beings don't even have the

1939
01:18:19,490 --> 01:18:16,199
capability of pretending

1940
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:19,500
okay we don't have the ability to to to

1941
01:18:25,790 --> 01:18:21,199
to

1942
01:18:27,910 --> 01:18:25,800
use what little knowledge we have

1943
01:18:30,169 --> 01:18:27,920
in our

1944
01:18:33,169 --> 01:18:30,179
pea-sized brains

1945
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:33,179
to depict certain reasons for things

1946
01:18:38,090 --> 01:18:36,000
happening I mean you you think about the

1947
01:18:40,490 --> 01:18:38,100
Spectrum the spectrum of light and the

1948
01:18:43,729 --> 01:18:40,500
spectrum of hearing that we of human

1949
01:18:47,630 --> 01:18:43,739
beings are are able to see in her is

1950
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:47,640
very very very small percentage of the

1951
01:18:51,470 --> 01:18:48,960
whole Spectrum

1952
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:51,480
so you know it's like I told Ryan and

1953
01:18:56,270 --> 01:18:54,239
Shane you know before you know we talked

1954
01:18:57,770 --> 01:18:56,280
think about all the things we don't see

1955
01:18:58,930 --> 01:18:57,780
in here every day that goes on right

1956
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:58,940
next to us

1957
01:19:02,990 --> 01:19:00,960
you know

1958
01:19:06,649 --> 01:19:03,000
yep so

1959
01:19:07,850 --> 01:19:06,659
I mean you guys I mean I leave it up to

1960
01:19:10,010 --> 01:19:07,860
you all to

1961
01:19:12,470 --> 01:19:10,020
to make up your own minds you know on

1962
01:19:17,209 --> 01:19:12,480
what happens in this world that we live

1963
01:19:19,630 --> 01:19:17,219
in is strength it is unusual usual

1964
01:19:22,070 --> 01:19:19,640
but at the same time it's been

1965
01:19:23,209 --> 01:19:22,080
let me ask you this and this is where

1966
01:19:24,430 --> 01:19:23,219
I'll leave it up to everybody that's

1967
01:19:27,169 --> 01:19:24,440
listening

1968
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:27,179
this is for all of you you anybody can

1969
01:19:31,729 --> 01:19:29,520
answer do you think the Paranormal and

1970
01:19:34,250 --> 01:19:31,739
thus those of us who get involved with

1971
01:19:37,070 --> 01:19:34,260
the Paranormal and and delve into it and

1972
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:37,080
actually do work in the Paranormal

1973
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:40,080
does that um

1974
01:19:45,530 --> 01:19:42,960
is that a detriment to our health

1975
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:45,540
it can be I think it definitely can be I

1976
01:19:49,070 --> 01:19:47,040
mean you hear about people that go to

1977
01:19:50,750 --> 01:19:49,080
all these uh different sites and they

1978
01:19:53,149 --> 01:19:50,760
encounter negative energy and I think

1979
01:19:54,890 --> 01:19:53,159
our bodies can absorb that negative

1980
01:19:57,169 --> 01:19:54,900
energy I think our cells can take in

1981
01:19:59,090 --> 01:19:57,179
that negative energy and I think when

1982
01:20:02,750 --> 01:19:59,100
that happens that's what really makes us

1983
01:20:07,970 --> 01:20:04,610
yeah I think it takes a toll I mean I

1984
01:20:10,669 --> 01:20:07,980
think it has on me for for example

1985
01:20:13,970 --> 01:20:10,679
I've been involved with some pretty bad

1986
01:20:15,709 --> 01:20:13,980
you know bad cases and uh I think it

1987
01:20:19,490 --> 01:20:15,719
took a toll on me I mean I have had

1988
01:20:21,890 --> 01:20:19,500
psychic attacks where I literally

1989
01:20:23,930 --> 01:20:21,900
had some injuries because of it some

1990
01:20:27,229 --> 01:20:23,940
physical injuries but

1991
01:20:29,810 --> 01:20:27,239
overall I mean I I think I think myself

1992
01:20:31,129 --> 01:20:29,820
that people can be affected by it

1993
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:31,139
yeah

1994
01:20:37,790 --> 01:20:36,000
you know I'm not too much into the

1995
01:20:39,770 --> 01:20:37,800
Paranormal I don't I'm still learning a

1996
01:20:41,689 --> 01:20:39,780
lot about that but with when it comes to

1997
01:20:43,550 --> 01:20:41,699
Cryptids people have even gotten sick

1998
01:20:45,290 --> 01:20:43,560
for through infrasound they said that

1999
01:20:47,689 --> 01:20:45,300
they started feeling like they were

2000
01:20:50,530 --> 01:20:47,699
going to vomit and I heard one lady had

2001
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:50,540
a heart attack and you know

2002
01:20:54,590 --> 01:20:52,560
that's the point of infrasound though

2003
01:20:56,810 --> 01:20:54,600
Shane infrastown is actually a very it's

2004
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:56,820
a very natural thing we have animals

2005
01:21:01,850 --> 01:20:59,040
that we know of that use it like tigers

2006
01:21:04,129 --> 01:21:01,860
orcas and they use it to stun their prey

2007
01:21:06,410 --> 01:21:04,139
so if Cryptids do definitely use that

2008
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:06,420
then it's possible infrasound is the

2009
01:21:11,270 --> 01:21:07,920
same thing for them it's a means of

2010
01:21:12,590 --> 01:21:11,280
hunting so yeah like I said I'm sorry I

2011
01:21:13,790 --> 01:21:12,600
haven't really been jumping in too much

2012
01:21:15,770 --> 01:21:13,800
on it I'm still learning I'm not talking

2013
01:21:17,770 --> 01:21:15,780
about the Paranormal so I'm listening to

2014
01:21:19,850 --> 01:21:17,780
you I'm picking your guys's brains so

2015
01:21:22,010 --> 01:21:19,860
I'm just kind of like I say I'm a sponge

2016
01:21:24,890 --> 01:21:22,020
I'm just learning it as much as everyone

2017
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:24,900
in the chat is and just like we're all

2018
01:21:29,689 --> 01:21:27,840
learning based off Theory so

2019
01:21:32,030 --> 01:21:29,699
well you know I think you're for sounds

2020
01:21:35,629 --> 01:21:32,040
and possibly some degrees of Mind speak

2021
01:21:38,510 --> 01:21:35,639
or I mean that Cryptids do use uh I've

2022
01:21:41,330 --> 01:21:38,520
heard people that have had encounters uh

2023
01:21:44,330 --> 01:21:41,340
with upright canine Bigfoot even even

2024
01:21:46,370 --> 01:21:44,340
Mothman or winged humanoids that have

2025
01:21:49,729 --> 01:21:46,380
been affected physically because of this

2026
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:49,739
with the encounter I mean uh in in

2027
01:21:52,490 --> 01:21:51,360
Chicago we've had people who have

2028
01:21:56,510 --> 01:21:52,500
literally fallen through the ground

2029
01:22:00,530 --> 01:21:56,520
because of this encounter not from fear

2030
01:22:03,290 --> 01:22:00,540
from just physically being weakened

2031
01:22:05,930 --> 01:22:03,300
um so there's something to that

2032
01:22:07,550 --> 01:22:05,940
so uh yeah maybe maybe there is

2033
01:22:09,950 --> 01:22:07,560
something to it

2034
01:22:12,770 --> 01:22:09,960
could be well I mean you know you you

2035
01:22:16,610 --> 01:22:12,780
think about the uh the Paranormal

2036
01:22:19,310 --> 01:22:16,620
response the emfs and stuff uh the EMF

2037
01:22:21,290 --> 01:22:19,320
is is you know electromagnetic is going

2038
01:22:23,870 --> 01:22:21,300
to make you anybody that's susceptible

2039
01:22:26,450 --> 01:22:23,880
to it feel nauseated

2040
01:22:30,169 --> 01:22:26,460
um dizzy um

2041
01:22:31,729 --> 01:22:30,179
basically just just all around rough

2042
01:22:35,570 --> 01:22:31,739
um and you get this description with

2043
01:22:38,330 --> 01:22:35,580
infrasound too so um but like like uh

2044
01:22:41,030 --> 01:22:38,340
Ryan was saying no the tagger you know

2045
01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:41,040
that's how they basically done their

2046
01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:43,440
their you know prey they they use

2047
01:22:47,330 --> 01:22:44,760
infrasound

2048
01:22:49,790 --> 01:22:47,340
that's basically strike so much fear in

2049
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:49,800
them that they can't they can't run they

2050
01:22:54,550 --> 01:22:52,320
can't hide so that's that's the purpose

2051
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:54,560
of infrasound um it's a it's a

2052
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:58,080
predatorial uh way of of dealing with

2053
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:59,040
prey

2054
01:23:03,050 --> 01:23:01,199
so

2055
01:23:04,970 --> 01:23:03,060
um our own military our own military

2056
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:04,980
uses it to tell you the truth if you

2057
01:23:11,209 --> 01:23:08,159
recall back uh in the well for those of

2058
01:23:14,330 --> 01:23:11,219
us that that are old enough to know uh

2059
01:23:19,370 --> 01:23:14,340
back in the 80s they used uh sound

2060
01:23:22,970 --> 01:23:19,380
devices to uh in Waco Texas they used uh

2061
01:23:26,750 --> 01:23:22,980
sound devices down in um

2062
01:23:28,970 --> 01:23:26,760
I want to say Honduras with one of the

2063
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:28,980
dictators down that way that was there

2064
01:23:32,770 --> 01:23:30,239
at the time

2065
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:32,780
um you know with a blasted certain

2066
01:23:41,330 --> 01:23:36,719
decibel levels you know I mean sound has

2067
01:23:43,070 --> 01:23:41,340
been used as as a device to to [\h__\h]

2068
01:23:45,709 --> 01:23:43,080
maim

2069
01:23:48,169 --> 01:23:45,719
hurt in in one shape or form in another

2070
01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:48,179
with the military for for a long time

2071
01:23:51,950 --> 01:23:50,159
now so

2072
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:51,960
but yeah and they've learned that from

2073
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:55,440
the animals so yep

2074
01:24:02,629 --> 01:23:57,360
yeah

2075
01:24:03,770 --> 01:24:02,639
uh the witnesses who have had who have

2076
01:24:05,930 --> 01:24:03,780
been armed

2077
01:24:07,550 --> 01:24:05,940
uh well just particularly here in

2078
01:24:09,530 --> 01:24:07,560
Pennsylvania in a state game land or

2079
01:24:11,810 --> 01:24:09,540
something and walked up onto an upright

2080
01:24:13,490 --> 01:24:11,820
cane I just walked up to it these things

2081
01:24:17,689 --> 01:24:13,500
stand the ground but they're not

2082
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:17,699
attacking people but this guy has a gun

2083
01:24:22,970 --> 01:24:20,880
he has he has no

2084
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:22,980
interest in even raising that gun I'm

2085
01:24:28,010 --> 01:24:25,679
taking a shot at this thing because he

2086
01:24:30,229 --> 01:24:28,020
he tells them I mean they have told me

2087
01:24:31,970 --> 01:24:30,239
and I've had this numerous times

2088
01:24:35,629 --> 01:24:31,980
where it's like this thing's talking to

2089
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:35,639
me and it's telling me to just back away

2090
01:24:42,890 --> 01:24:38,719
and everything will be okay

2091
01:24:44,570 --> 01:24:42,900
and uh yeah I mean it you just see I you

2092
01:24:46,430 --> 01:24:44,580
know I don't know of anybody other than

2093
01:24:47,629 --> 01:24:46,440
one person took a shot at one of these

2094
01:24:49,790 --> 01:24:47,639
things

2095
01:24:52,490 --> 01:24:49,800
and uh

2096
01:24:53,629 --> 01:24:52,500
and in that case when they did this

2097
01:24:56,209 --> 01:24:53,639
thing

2098
01:24:59,689 --> 01:24:56,219
just seemed to walk away from it

2099
01:25:02,030 --> 01:24:59,699
so um that's why I'm 50 50 on the whole

2100
01:25:04,430 --> 01:25:02,040
mind speak I've talked to Ryan I've

2101
01:25:06,050 --> 01:25:04,440
talked to D.A Roberts on it uh because

2102
01:25:09,050 --> 01:25:06,060
I've heard an encounter where a guy down

2103
01:25:11,450 --> 01:25:09,060
in Louisiana saw something pop out of

2104
01:25:13,430 --> 01:25:11,460
the tree line took his scope up to it

2105
01:25:15,229 --> 01:25:13,440
like he was out humming and the thing

2106
01:25:17,629 --> 01:25:15,239
pulled him in his head Put the gun down

2107
01:25:19,850 --> 01:25:17,639
or I will kill you well I was thinking

2108
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:19,860
of that I mean I do keep an open mind to

2109
01:25:24,470 --> 01:25:22,320
it I do think like what D.A said to me

2110
01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:24,480
last week and Ryan that it's more the

2111
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:27,120
Primitive back of your head telling you

2112
01:25:31,070 --> 01:25:29,040
you know put it down get out of there

2113
01:25:33,470 --> 01:25:31,080
you know that could be another you know

2114
01:25:36,290 --> 01:25:33,480
it's just a theory but I mean do these

2115
01:25:38,629 --> 01:25:36,300
things definitely mind speaking to you I

2116
01:25:40,610 --> 01:25:38,639
do think that but I think it's more

2117
01:25:42,649 --> 01:25:40,620
you're in the moment like Ryan said

2118
01:25:45,470 --> 01:25:42,659
these things use infrasound you're just

2119
01:25:47,810 --> 01:25:45,480
Frozen in the moment and you know it's

2120
01:25:50,090 --> 01:25:47,820
we want to get out of there but I mean I

2121
01:25:52,189 --> 01:25:50,100
don't know that's the thing I I ask so

2122
01:25:53,390 --> 01:25:52,199
many people different things and I kind

2123
01:25:55,850 --> 01:25:53,400
of tally mark you know the different

2124
01:25:57,649 --> 01:25:55,860
ones and what weigh out more that sound

2125
01:25:59,629 --> 01:25:57,659
more credible like do you think these

2126
01:26:01,610 --> 01:25:59,639
things really interact with you I mean

2127
01:26:03,890 --> 01:26:01,620
there's people that say they feed and

2128
01:26:07,250 --> 01:26:03,900
they live and dance with the Bigfoot you

2129
01:26:10,010 --> 01:26:07,260
know I do I believe those ones as much

2130
01:26:11,629 --> 01:26:10,020
maybe not but you know the hunters I

2131
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:11,639
think their story is real serious you

2132
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:13,679
know when they see a Sasquatch or a

2133
01:26:17,689 --> 01:26:15,600
Dogman out there and they're on their

2134
01:26:19,729 --> 01:26:17,699
Turf so you know when they have these

2135
01:26:21,649 --> 01:26:19,739
encounters that you know but when they

2136
01:26:24,110 --> 01:26:21,659
say they're mind spoken it opened up a

2137
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:24,120
whole new degree of thought for me that

2138
01:26:29,330 --> 01:26:26,880
I'm like okay maybe these things do but

2139
01:26:30,050 --> 01:26:29,340
it's all open Theory at the end of the

2140
01:26:32,990 --> 01:26:30,060
day

2141
01:26:34,669 --> 01:26:33,000
true well I had a I had a name

2142
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:34,679
um Elder tell me about it in one

2143
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:36,960
particular case he was up in the Trisha

2144
01:26:42,470 --> 01:26:39,440
mountains in uh in Arizona

2145
01:26:44,090 --> 01:26:42,480
and something showed up and he he really

2146
01:26:45,530 --> 01:26:44,100
didn't understand what it was but he

2147
01:26:46,490 --> 01:26:45,540
said this thing was talking to him like

2148
01:26:49,010 --> 01:26:46,500
crazy

2149
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:49,020
I mean he said I wasn't I mean

2150
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:50,880
conversing with it but it was telling me

2151
01:26:54,050 --> 01:26:52,800
in its head

2152
01:26:58,689 --> 01:26:54,060
just

2153
01:27:02,270 --> 01:26:58,699
and uh you know

2154
01:27:04,669 --> 01:27:02,280
and this gentleman I mean he's been

2155
01:27:07,010 --> 01:27:04,679
around a long time but you know he's

2156
01:27:10,370 --> 01:27:07,020
told me a lot of that stuff and um I

2157
01:27:12,770 --> 01:27:10,380
believe it I I absolutely believe it wow

2158
01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:12,780
I don't know Lon I mean my dad used to

2159
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:14,520
be able to give me the look and I'd know

2160
01:27:24,030 --> 01:27:16,800
what he was thinking so well in that

2161
01:27:29,750 --> 01:27:27,110
[Laughter]

2162
01:27:31,729 --> 01:27:29,760
well guys you know before we go here

2163
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:31,739
tonight I want to eat

2164
01:27:35,629 --> 01:27:34,080
one of you to tell people how they get

2165
01:27:37,790 --> 01:27:35,639
in contact with you

2166
01:27:41,149 --> 01:27:37,800
and uh you know you got anything to

2167
01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:41,159
advertise feel free to do so and uh I'll

2168
01:27:44,570 --> 01:27:42,480
start off with Ryan

2169
01:27:46,370 --> 01:27:44,580
oh okay all right great

2170
01:27:49,129 --> 01:27:46,380
um well you can find me over on Facebook

2171
01:27:50,990 --> 01:27:49,139
Ryan Paul trembly that's my full name so

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you can find me there over on Twitter

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01:27:54,649 --> 01:27:53,520
I'm Ryan trembley18 for some reason I

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01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:54,659
don't know why Twitter game that weird

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01:28:00,410 --> 01:27:58,560
handle but they did on Instagram I'm

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that Christian Ryan

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if I move on Instagram there I have a

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01:28:07,070 --> 01:28:04,380
YouTube show that I do with my

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01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:07,080
girlfriend Ashley we Host Monster radio

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01:28:10,250 --> 01:28:09,360
we dropped the YouTube videos every

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Sunday

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so if you want to drop by and talk to us

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01:28:15,950 --> 01:28:14,219
underneath our videos we'll get back to

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you and you know we'll Converse a little

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bit

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well you can get a hold of me Hawk Kai

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strangeness on YouTube and uh Facebook

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01:28:31,550 --> 01:28:29,760
um you can uh friend me at William

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Nighthawk

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um on Facebook and uh I also have uh

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01:28:40,010 --> 01:28:37,800
patreon and and all that too with

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Nighthawk eye strangeness

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um but yeah I've have

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01:28:46,490 --> 01:28:44,100
I have quite a bit going on I have a uh

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like I said uh earlier a Bigfoot

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Symposium going on Monday on Facebook

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for Native Americans to uh you know have

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dealt with the Bigfoot thing and to tell

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people a certain aspect of it dealing

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01:29:06,770 --> 01:29:02,880
with the subject from a native of you

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and what not to do and what to do so but

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that's pretty much it yeah

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and you Shane

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um you can find me on Facebook at say

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01:29:18,649 --> 01:29:16,440
name that's posted on the screen see

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01:29:20,689 --> 01:29:18,659
Michael crisp or you can find me at my

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01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:20,699
Facebook group West Coast Dogman project

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01:29:25,070 --> 01:29:23,040
I've got six other Pages all dedicated

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to Cryptids under the West Coast name

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whether it's Douglas Sasquatch

2211
01:29:33,709 --> 01:29:31,020
Skinwalker chupacabra UFO I've tried to

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01:29:35,330 --> 01:29:33,719
do it all you know but mainly I focused

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01:29:37,250 --> 01:29:35,340
on the dog bin so you can find me there

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01:29:39,050 --> 01:29:37,260
or you can I'm started doing interviews

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01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:39,060
about two months ago so if you've had a

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01:29:41,270 --> 01:29:40,320
Dogman encounter and want to talk about

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01:29:43,189 --> 01:29:41,280
it

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01:29:45,950 --> 01:29:43,199
um reach out to me on YouTube at West

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01:29:48,169 --> 01:29:45,960
Coast Dogman project so that's where you

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01:29:49,370 --> 01:29:48,179
can find me awesome well guys I want to

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01:29:51,470 --> 01:29:49,380
thank each and one of you thanks for

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01:29:54,290 --> 01:29:51,480
coming on the show and uh we definitely

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01:29:55,610 --> 01:29:54,300
want to keep in touch uh and I

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01:29:57,709 --> 01:29:55,620
definitely want to have you all back on

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01:29:59,090 --> 01:29:57,719
at some point to talk about some things

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01:30:01,129 --> 01:29:59,100
so uh

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01:30:03,350 --> 01:30:01,139
you've got an open invitation so again

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01:30:04,570 --> 01:30:03,360
thanks for coming on and you all have a

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01:30:07,250 --> 01:30:04,580
good week

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01:30:09,890 --> 01:30:07,260
Namaste guys you guys have a good one

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01:30:13,209 --> 01:30:09,900
thank you take it easy everybody take

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01:30:17,689 --> 01:30:15,770
now if you have an unexplained encounter

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01:30:19,010 --> 01:30:17,699
in sighting or sighting uh feel free to

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01:30:20,689 --> 01:30:19,020
contact me through the famous and

2235
01:30:22,430 --> 01:30:20,699
monsters blog site you know I want to

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01:30:24,229 --> 01:30:22,440
again thank my guest for joining me this

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01:30:26,090 --> 01:30:24,239
evening I I thought it was a very good

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01:30:28,610 --> 01:30:26,100
conversation I learned a lot be honest

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01:30:31,189 --> 01:30:28,620
with you and thanks to each and all you

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01:30:33,410 --> 01:30:31,199
for watching and chatting if you did

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01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:33,420
make a super chat donation it's truly

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01:30:37,669 --> 01:30:35,760
appreciated uh your support is what

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01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:37,679
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01:30:43,910 --> 01:30:40,800
subscribe and share as well as comment

2245
01:30:46,910 --> 01:30:43,920
you know we always look for comments uh

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01:30:50,149 --> 01:30:46,920
about our videos and our uh

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01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:50,159
our interviews so uh please feel free to

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01:30:52,910 --> 01:30:51,120
do so

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01:30:54,290 --> 01:30:52,920
uh again if you have a citing or

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01:30:56,510 --> 01:30:54,300
encounter report you'd like to be

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01:30:59,689 --> 01:30:56,520
considered for the personal report show

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01:31:01,610 --> 01:30:59,699
or personal fans of Monsters uh feel

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01:31:03,770 --> 01:31:01,620
free to forward to my email at launch

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01:31:07,129 --> 01:31:03,780
stricklerfansofmonsters.com

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01:31:09,770 --> 01:31:07,139
now next Wednesday night I will narrate

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01:31:12,709 --> 01:31:09,780
several more personal reports

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01:31:14,990 --> 01:31:12,719
so make sure to join me for that uh

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01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:15,000
that'll be at nine o'clock uh p.m

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01:31:19,310 --> 01:31:18,000
Eastern six o'clock P.M I mean

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01:31:22,610 --> 01:31:19,320
Pacific

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01:31:25,250 --> 01:31:22,620
uh in fact I may be having a giveaway

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01:31:27,470 --> 01:31:25,260
that night as well so um

2263
01:31:30,050 --> 01:31:27,480
make sure to tune in and next Friday

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01:31:33,290 --> 01:31:30,060
night I'm going to welcome professional

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01:31:35,209 --> 01:31:33,300
Clairvoyant medical intuitive and E.T

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01:31:37,370 --> 01:31:35,219
author Sue Walker

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01:31:40,370 --> 01:31:37,380
it should be quite an interesting show

2268
01:31:42,649 --> 01:31:40,380
so make sure you join in for that so

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01:31:49,910 --> 01:31:42,659
until next week stay healthy and have a